SWAT Team Raid Over Student Loan

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Sounds reasonable. LOL

I can’t believe shit like this.  I like that kid in the video, If I had thousands of extra dollars kicking around i’d pay off his loan for him, just for handling the whole situation like a boss.

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Thanatos June 13, 2011 at 12:10 am

Actually it is the guy’s ex-wife that they came looking for. The Dept. of Education said that they asked the cops to “Send a car” over there, but as usual they over reacted and sent a SWAT team like a bunch of morons. Keystone Cops on steroids!

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Corey June 13, 2011 at 12:43 am

Is this raid by the Dept of Ed what this solicitation was all about?

Synopsis: Added: Mar 08, 2010 10:39 am

The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14″ – PARKERIZED CHOKE: MODIFIED SIGHTS: GHOST RING REAR WILSON COMBAT; FRONT – XS CONTOUR BEAD SIGHT STOCK: KNOXX REDUCE RECOIL ADJUSTABLE STOCK FORE-END: SPEEDFEED SPORT-SOLID – 14″ LOP are designated as the only shotguns authorized for ED based on compatibility with ED existing shotgun inventory, certified armor and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.
The required date of delivery is March 22, 2010.

Why does the Dept of Ed need a SWAT style team?

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That one guy June 13, 2011 at 05:13 am

This looks like the Onion O.o
He should sue their asses. Hardcore.

And lol student loans. This is why you apply for grants.

Whats more he swears they drug him out and had him handcuffed and has a hole in the door, and yet at the very end the woman says they’d like to reiterate none of that happened. WTF.

Goddammit Justice system. Y U NO do your job right? :C

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Dom June 13, 2011 at 06:25 am

He’s no Antoine Dodson, but this definitely has some auto-tune potential.

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Josh June 13, 2011 at 07:15 am

This isn’t about a student loan that hasn’t been paid. According to the search warrant, the charges are: Financial Aid Fraud, Conspiracy, Theft of Government Funds, False Statement to Government Agency, and Wire Fraud. His “estranged wife” isn’t just some deadbeat who hasn’t paid on their loan, it sounds like she’s someone who was probably involved in defrauding the government out of a large amount of money.

Who owes this guy an apology and a new door? His wife. Don’t want your door busted in? Don’t marry a f*cking criminal.

This is some typical news b*llshit. It’s not a “mistaken warrant” as the piece describes. They may be “estranged,” but that’s still his wife. I’m sure that’s still her official address; maybe she’s listed as an owner and joint tenant on the house, or listed as tenant on the lease. And the dumbass reporter apparently can’t read well enough to understand the warrant, making it seem like this was all for defaulting on a loan. This doesn’t seem to be about neglecting to “pay yo bills.”

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xpo172 June 13, 2011 at 08:24 am

Regardless of the validity of the warrant, this is not a violent crime, why would they kick the door and charge in all SWAT/ tacticool? Just ring the doorbell and ask for the perp. If she doesn’t come to the door, present the warrant, walk in and search the place. The Dept of Education has got to be smacked down for this crap. They are NOT THE POLICE! Call the local cops and get them to assist with this warrant. On the face of it, it looks like they did NO investigation into where this woman was supposed to be.

Also, that list of Federal Charges could be for something as simple as her lying on her application. If she stole our money, she needs to go to jail, but these DOE guys need to take it down a notch.

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Josh June 13, 2011 at 08:51 am

why would they kick the door and charge in all SWAT/ tacticool?

I don’t know, to send a message? For all I know she’s part of a large criminal ring defrauding our government of student loan funds.

They are NOT THE POLICE! Call the local cops and get them to assist with this warrant.

That’s right. They are not the police; they are a federal agency. It was federal agents, with local police on the scene, that executed this warrant.

On the face of it, it looks like they did NO investigation into where this woman was supposed to be.

I’d say, on the face of it, that she’s supposed to be living with her husband. That’s what a wife does. And it seems that they are currently married.

Also, that list of Federal Charges could be for something as simple as her lying on her application.

That might be possible, but it’s very unlikely. Financial Aid Fraud – that could be lying on an application. Theft of Government Funds – could also conceivably be lying on an application. False Statement to Government Agency – sure. It’s the Conspiracy and Wire Fraud charges that would lead me to believe this is something more than just someone lying on an application for financial aid. And, call me crazy, but I don’t really think that the DOE is going to go after someone in this manner for simply fibbing on their application. I think there’s much more to this story, and I’d like to know the rest.

I am, by no means, saying that this was the appropriate way to handle things. What I was trying to point out earlier is that this seems to be more than what it was presented as. It’s not a police S.W.A.T. team kicking down someone’s door because they missed some payments on their student loan.

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Jeff June 13, 2011 at 11:14 am

Iono, I would’ve thought the message would have been clear enough to just serve a subpoena. White Collar people who commit fraud aren’t likely to run, especially if they have a family and a home.

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That one guy June 13, 2011 at 02:48 pm

“Unlikely” is how they work :/

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The Dog June 13, 2011 at 08:51 am

Precisely.

This isn’t a drug warrant where the evidence could be flushed or similar. Also, how about staking out the house for a few hours to see if there’s even reason to believe she was there and maybe getting a chance to grab her out of a car by herself, where her ability to resist would be limited.

We don’t know all the details of the alleged crime situation, but doing a swat style entry on a residence with children present, for financial criminals when you obviously dont even know the person is there, is unnecessarily dangerous for the team, traumatic for the people there who have not been served with a warrant, and strongly suggests a childish and non-wise attitude amongst the leadership.

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Mark June 13, 2011 at 12:08 pm

So even if it is fraud, how in your mind does it justify the use of a SWAT team?

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Josh June 13, 2011 at 02:17 pm

So even if it is fraud, how in your mind does it justify the use of a SWAT team?

I guess I’ll have to assume that this was directed at me, although I can’t tell for sure.

Let me ask a question – when did I say that it justified the use of a S.W.A.T. team? That’s a rhetorical question – because I didn’t. If you reread what I said, and take it all in, you’ll see that I made the disclaimer: “I am, by no means, saying that this was the appropriate way to handle things.” The grander point of my posts was to illustrate that this was not an action taken simply because someone had defaulted on their student loans. This was in response to a probably very serious criminal offense. As I said before, I’d like to know the particulars of what she is accused of doing, but I imagine she was involved in something pretty serious.

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032125 June 13, 2011 at 02:40 pm

Conventionally, the state is defined as an agency with two unique characteristics. First, it is a compulsory territorial monopolist of ultimate decision-making (jurisdiction). That is, it is the ultimate arbiter in every case of conflict, including conflicts involving itself. Second, the state is a territorial monopolist of taxation. That is, it is an agency that unilaterally fixes the price citizens must pay for its provision of law and order.

Predictably, if one can only appeal to the state for justice, justice will be perverted in favor of the state. Instead of resolving conflict, a monopolist of ultimate decision-making will provoke conflict in order to settle it to his own advantage. Worse, while the quality of justice will fall under monopolistic auspices, its price will rise. Motivated like everyone else by self-interest but equipped with the power to tax, the state agents’ goal is always the same: to maximize income and minimize productive effort.

– Hans Hoppe

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Jwhite June 13, 2011 at 06:45 pm

Those given a higher power of authority should be held to a higher standard than others. I’ve been in a house that was raided SWAT style. Its very jaring. The house was full of parents and children for a group session/meeting (My sister was in therapy when she was younger). My mother and I where there with some 8 other children and their parents. The police where serving an arrest warrant because one of the workers “allegedly provided drugs to one of the patients, and engaged in lewd and/or sexual conduct” with a minor. The charges where later dropped due to lack of evidence, however being in a house with that many people and police falling from the trees and hopping over fences and kicking through the front door is unbelievable. Its not fun. The police went as far as threatening to shoot a child if the dog, which at the time was freaking out, was let go, and then the dog would be shot. Everyone from the children, to the parents where freaking out. Even I was a bit. They apparently had staked the house out for a couple hours prior, and made the “judgement” call to (or lack there of), raid the house instead of knock on the door and say “My Xyz, Culver City Police Dept. We have a warrant for your arrest, please turn around and put your hands behind your head. Miranda rights”… Search for weapons/drugs/pointy-shit, and out the door. For non violent crimes, or crimes which do not involve firearms and/or weapons, there is absolutely no need to kick someones door in. Having the ability to respond incase a situation escalates is a more appropriate method IMO. Right off the bat SWAT is not cool at all.

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032125 June 13, 2011 at 07:21 pm

The drug war has trained police to kick in doors and point guns, since drug users will just flush drugs if police knock. Now they use the technique for everything, it seems. My neighbor the cop kicked in my door and held my family at gunpoint last week, and all he wanted was to borrow the lawnmower. It’s outrageous.

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Josh June 13, 2011 at 08:18 pm

My neighbor the cop kicked in my door and held my family at gunpoint last week, and all he wanted was to borrow the lawnmower. It’s outrageous.

I was driving down the interstate when my phone notified me that I had a new email. I started laughing out loud as I read this. Could’ve caused an accident. You sir, are dangerous.

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KPete June 13, 2011 at 07:32 pm

Im sure the impending law suit will pay for any outstanding loans for this guy, his wife and kids for the forseeable future. :-)

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Antibubba June 15, 2011 at 03:51 pm

There is an easy justification for the use of a SWAT team: the team exists. It has the personnel, the toys, the training, and the budget; if it isn’t used it gets taken away.

The real question, as others have pointed out, is why the Dept of Education needs its own commandos.

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Federale June 16, 2011 at 12:27 am

Not a student loan, it was loan fraud. Money stolen from the taxpayers. Is it so outrageous to search the home of a thief? And if he is so innocent, why didn’t he open the door for the DOE OIG agents? Clearly he had something to hide. Oh, and there was no SWAT team.

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xpo172 June 17, 2011 at 07:36 am

“if he is so innocent” Dude, I’m innocent right now too, but I’m not opening the door for ANYONE until I can verify it’s the police. We understand what a “search” warrant is for, but I think most of us are saying that we don’t need a para-military force breaching doors, flash-banging our kids and storming into our homes for non violent crimes. ESPECIALLY if it’s the Department of Education!

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