AK-47 V.S. AR-15

The gun store guys tackle a classic gun forum question:

What’s next, 9mm v.s. .45?  That ought to make some blood boil.

22 minutes is a bit too long for a YouTube video if you ask me… I skimmed through this one because I don’t have that kind of time.  I figured some of you might want to kill some time at work on Friday though. :P

I’d like to buy an AK someday, just to have one.

Thoughts?

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Vhyrus March 16, 2012 at 03:16 am

2 votes for the AK? Dammit! Stop saying things I agree with!

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gunbarrelflygirl March 16, 2012 at 05:15 am

I thought I would share this. It’s from a gun shop in Mesquite, TX. I KNOW the gun store guys will like it!
http://www.thegunzone.com/let-2007.html

And Furthermore…
From: Mark Moritz
Date: 11 September 2007

A clip is not a magazine, a mag is not a clip,
And neither is a grip a stock, and “stock” does not mean grip.
I do not mean to nitpick, but improvement could be seen,
If we could [ever] bring ourselves to say exactly what we mean.
– Author Unknown
That’s Jeff Cooper’s doggerel. The word “ever” should not be there, nor the introductory “And.” Here is the Moritz gilding of the Cooper lily:
A clip is not a magazine, a mag is not a clip.
Neither is a grip a stock, and “stock” does not mean grip.
A bullet’s not a cartridge, nor is the converse true.
Folks should be more careful when they use the words they do.
A revolver has a cylinder, but only one, you see,
And cylinders have chambers, five or six, most commonly.
Neither is a cylinder a barrel, as some say;
The barrel is the tube that guides the bullet on its way.
I do not mean to nitpick, but improvement would be seen,
If we could bring ourselves to say exactly what we mean.

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JonMac March 20, 2012 at 02:01 pm

Actually, a grip CAN be a stock, and stock CAN mean grip. The grip panels on 19th century pistols were known as ‘stocks’. Still are in some quarters.

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gunbarrelflygirl March 16, 2012 at 05:17 am

Oh, and another thing….I’d REALLY like to run my hands through the gun shop guy’s beard!! ;)

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Bear March 17, 2012 at 06:06 pm

It is quite glorious, isn’t it?

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Andrew March 16, 2012 at 06:39 am

Sorry, couldn’t watch any further than “The AR has to be kept very clean or you’ll start having all sorts of problems” (Or whatever he actually said).

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hnl.flyboy March 16, 2012 at 06:54 am

Agreed. If you run that bitch wet, she’ll keep shooting.

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Andrew March 16, 2012 at 09:39 am

More than that having the right buffer and spring set up. I can’t find the article but a guy did a write up that showed even a bone dry AR will shoot over 2000 rounds before you start having problems. Lube appropriately and you won’t have an issue.

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cc19 March 16, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Komodo Saurian March 16, 2012 at 06:51 am

Now, before I watch this I’m going to post a little rant.

How is it possible to compare guns that are so far apart chronologically?

AK (Which you keep calling AK-47 and technically there is no such thing in existance. Avtomat Kalashnikova model 1947 is called just “AK” in all documents) was used since ’49 to ’59, then it was replaced by AKM and other successors, AR-15 was used since ’58 and up to today.

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Phil March 16, 2012 at 06:53 am

Not even gona push play.

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hnl.flyboy March 16, 2012 at 06:56 am

He’s confused with the M855 (he also called it M885) and SS109

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Komodo Saurian March 16, 2012 at 07:09 am

He implies that AK-74 comes with a 45 round magazine which is incorrect. Forty five round magazines come from RPK machine guns. AK-74s service rifles are supposed to have 30 round magazines by default.

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DaveP. March 16, 2012 at 04:29 pm

Why would it matter what size magazine “came with” the gun in the first place. It’s not like extra mags- in any size- aren’t available, or like mag changes are impossible (sorry, California!).
I was at a gun store one day and a customer asked me if I thought he should get some 100-round drums for his AR. I asked him how many times he planned on missing his target…

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Komodo Saurian March 16, 2012 at 06:50 pm

Nitpicking, I guess #shrug#

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DaveP. March 17, 2012 at 10:17 am

I understand- it’s just a pet peeve of mine. Sorry if you thought I was going after YOU.

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Komodo Saurian March 17, 2012 at 12:14 pm

It’s totally fine with me, no offence taken. English is not my native language and I might simply misunderstand what people might be saying. It’s good to know there are users who can and will correct and point out my mistakes.

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Dom March 16, 2012 at 07:18 am

Why do you you keep posting these hillbilly’s videos, giving them views and a reason to live?

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Jeff March 16, 2012 at 07:19 am

LMFAO, I think they should make a Animated Gif out of 13:24-13:28
“This is a prom queen, this is a biker bitch” *shuffle dance*

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That Guy March 16, 2012 at 08:13 am

Did he say “You guys have been real perceptive to this stuff…”?

Yep, I just rewound. He did.

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huey March 16, 2012 at 08:53 am

once again I don’t even click on their vids anymore…

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BalloonGoesUp March 16, 2012 at 09:38 am

9mm vs .45acp? Yes, Please! I love the caliber wars… My post today is actually on that very topic!

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MrMaigo March 16, 2012 at 11:28 am

I was kinda hopping they’d say “Well, you’re all wrong, it’s the HK G3”

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Al T. March 16, 2012 at 12:30 pm

Clowns. No clicky.

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Phil March 16, 2012 at 12:34 pm

FXhummel1 needs to make a song about these guys.

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Mike B. March 16, 2012 at 02:28 pm

seconded!!

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Dom March 17, 2012 at 11:53 am

yea, making fun of them

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Fuzzy March 16, 2012 at 03:13 pm

The 5.56mm won’t penetrate 4 inches of wood!!!!! Seems to go through 10.5 inches of pine just fine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7aG86cqkJ0

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Fuzzy March 16, 2012 at 03:15 pm

Sorry, that’s a .223. Much more penetration than a 5.56 obviously.

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Jim P. March 17, 2012 at 05:53 pm

Really, I don’t want penetration through and through. I want it to go in and bounce around, a lot.

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Jeep March 16, 2012 at 05:01 pm

Yeah, yeah, we got it, AK firearms are designed to cycle even through the worst conditions. Kalashnikov factory has a sandstorm simulation room only AK can survive. Wahoo! Big deal. 60 years late buddies.
AR 15 still suffer from the poor rep they got at early stages when thy DID experience reliability issues.
And guess what? They are using 5,56mm which is not the same as the AK.
Do you have another scoop?

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Critter March 16, 2012 at 05:59 pm

i got rid of all my combloc iron many years ago. the ugly was just too much.

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J March 16, 2012 at 06:33 pm

I think it vastly depends on the shooter. An AR15 in the hands of a trained soldier will destroy any jihad moron with an AK47. Just depends on the scenario and shooter. What about an AR15 with a Piston system and chambered in the 7.62×39? I think thats the dream weapon.

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Ed March 17, 2012 at 01:13 am

Likewise, an AK pattern rifle in the hands of a trained soldier will be more effective than an AR15 in an untrained fighter’s hands. Period.

Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. The weapon doesn’t mean anywhere near as much as the person using it.

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mike m. March 17, 2012 at 03:28 am

I have and run both platforms and I have to stick up for the AK. It really is a no-nonsense weapon. The only ak jams I have seen have been magazine related (and in wasr’s). I will say in the full auto versions an m4 stays on target better than an akm, but if you get a decent muzzle break you can fix that problem.
5.45×39 is dang cheap an ak74 pays for itself after ~4,000 rounds.

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Josh March 17, 2012 at 02:22 pm

[The AK] really is a no-nonsense weapon.

No argument there, which is why it is a good choice for African child soldiers and dumbass Jihadists that seem to think that death will be a blessing. For a competent, trained shooter who can maintain a weapon properly, I think the M4 is the winner.

…if you get a decent muzzle break you can fix that problem.

A broken muzzle doesn’t sound like a fix for a problem; it sounds like a big problem in itself. ;) Likewise, you don’t want to break your car when the vehicle in front of you stops suddenly; you want to “brake” your car.

Sorry, drives me nuts when I see that kind of thing!

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ozwald March 17, 2012 at 05:10 pm

FAL was here. you all can go home, i win.

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Curtis March 17, 2012 at 07:01 pm

I’m glad I saw this, I’m thinking of getting an AK74 sometime soon.

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Frank March 17, 2012 at 08:19 pm

I have solved forever the 9mm vs 45 AUTO argument: shot placement.

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BalloonGoesUp March 18, 2012 at 10:22 am

I guess you NEVER miss. I do.
The question then becomes how often and how far
Or alternatively stated capacity and cali.. bar?

Combined with the threat of multiple attacks,
the mythical stopping power, mall ninjary and bravado
You get an argument with no clear winner
Just something fun to discuss at dinner

For some reason I wrote this like a poet
but it is not… its just prophetic.

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Frank March 18, 2012 at 10:22 pm

It’s not missing when I do it on purpose. :)

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Ironsights March 20, 2012 at 12:50 am

I like those guys. Its funny, but the ar looks like a kids toy. The ak looks looks solid. I know, the ar will make more hits, faster. But the ak may still be shooting, when the ar is being cleaned or greased down. For paper shooters, the ar will be more fun. But the tiny holes dont look as cool as the 7.62 holes. Still wouldnt want to get hit by the 223 round. I guess a rear peep on an ak would be best if you could get it pie tin accurate at 100 to 150 yards. Anything past that and you need an m14. I have an arsenal sgl-23, and after range shooting, im dreaming of an AR. …….go figure.

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Ironsights March 20, 2012 at 07:30 am

At 19 I was qualified sharpshooter in the marine corps. The M-16 was more than adequate at the 300 yard line. Even at 500 we were hitting large targets. Since my eyes dont function as precice now, 26 years later , and I have no access to long ranges I think in terms of 200 yards or closer. If you can blast an enemy at 300 yards with a 223 round thats pretty good. But for a civilian thats just murder. Considering we will use our weapons for self defence, the Ak is more than adequate. But at the range, if you get satisfaction from hitting exactly what you aim at, the the American weapon is the one to reach for. Buy both, and you’ll never have to ask this question again. I still think those good ol’ boys on the video are great. Very informative, clear and concise. Made me guilty for neglecting my AK. Still, I will not rest until I have a colt, or bcm, 20 inch full lenght A-3.

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dave w March 25, 2012 at 01:04 pm

the practical test follow up was pretty good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aoiNo8cuQk

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