Dangerous Rocket Launcher Off The L.A. Streets

To Live And Die In L.A.

Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck holds up a rocket launcher turned in during a weekend gun-buyback program in the city. The haul also included 791 handguns, 527 rifles and 302 shotguns — less than what usually is turned in. A supermarket chain donated $200,000 in gift cards to be given out in exchange for the weapons.

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Oh.. wait… TRAINER.  *facepalm* Stellar police work Charlie.  How embarrassing.  Is that an inert AT4?

They always flaunt those haul numbers like it’s some massive victory, but I wonder how many of the bought back guns were actually airsoft or 40 year old throwaway guns that don’t even work.

Thoughts?

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Hizenburg May 18, 2012 at 12:17 am

I want to go stand out in front of one of those buy backs with a wad of cash. You know there are some stupid people who probably threw away grandpas WWII luger or M1 Garand.

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Frank May 18, 2012 at 10:39 am

People actually do that in Portland Oregon.

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Cameron May 18, 2012 at 01:21 pm

Worse. I nearly popped a gasket when I read about a recent buyback in Toronto known as the Pistols for Pixels campaign, where you trade in a gun for a cheap-ass digital camera.

Some 90 year old hag traded in her husband’s bring-back WWI Luger.

For a cheap Sony point-and-shoot.

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ENDO-Mike May 27, 2012 at 09:49 pm

*facepalm* If they get rid of the handgun registry there you could camp out next time with a few grand in your pocket and go home with some more guns to add to your collection.

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Vhyrus May 18, 2012 at 12:23 am

Most of the guns are stolen by people waiting for a buyback so they can get quick cash for drugs. It’s really pathetic to see our tax money used for such purposes.

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hydepark May 18, 2012 at 02:47 pm

My thoughts exactly. And below the point was made that some of these items are potential evidence.

Does anyone know what they will do with these weapons? I mean, Komiefornia is in real bad shape financially, so maybe they could sell these out of state on the open market to help balance the budget??

Surely this isn’t one of the deals where they just throw everything into a cauldron of molten steel, right?

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M June 6, 2012 at 02:07 am

Crusher. *shudder*

The state is too cheap to melt them down directly. They have a huge hydraulic press that they load them into, smash them flat as a pancake, and sell them as scrap.

I could never do that job, too horrible!

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andy June 6, 2012 at 04:56 pm

they will take them and sell them to the mexican drug cartels like they did in operation fast and the furious.

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ozwald May 18, 2012 at 12:40 am

i kinda want to grab a stack of business cards for a nearby FFL and stand around with a book of gun values. at one of these things “Oh you have a Boito 12ga? this shit could fetch as high as $300.”

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ben May 18, 2012 at 12:53 am

I hate these programs. It’s the firearms equivalent to cash for clunkers. Just the government uselessly spending money. As stated in some of the previous comments, there are probably some nice historic/valuable guns being destroyed too.

I like the idea of getting some airsoft guns and showing up. I’m sure the idiots running the operation wouldn’t know the difference. I wonder how much I can get inert RPGs of gunbroker for???

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Curtis May 18, 2012 at 12:14 pm

Unfortunately inert RPGs are insanely expensive (around $800). I used to want one. But I guess if you own one, it’s probably only a matter of time until the police mistakenly kill you.

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Chad May 18, 2012 at 01:01 am

If that’s a trainer AT4 it probably is the one that shoots 9mm tracer rounds, not just an empty tube.

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bikeman May 18, 2012 at 06:47 am

That’s what I was thinking too. The inert dummies (aka empties) I have seen so far usually have blue tape and/or “INERT” stenciled on it, not “TRAINER”. TRAINER should be the M287 converted one.

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Josh May 19, 2012 at 10:33 am

If that’s a trainer AT4 it probably is the one that shoots 9mm tracer rounds, not just an empty tube.

You’re right that it is an M287 9mm training model, but I’d be willing to bet that at this point it’s effectively just an empty tube. The 9mm apparatus inside is removable, and I’m sure is serial numbered and catalogued as a sensitive item by the Army. I have an empty M287 tube somewhere; I’m probably not supposed to have it, but oh well!

Oh, and it doesn’t look like anyone else has mentioned it, but the article refers to it as a “rocket launcher.” It’s not; it’s a recoilless weapon. When you fire one there’s no “whoosh” as the rocket takes off; there’s a big BANG, because you just fired a big gun that uses the backblast to balance the recoil. I’m amazed that reporters would fuck something like that up!

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Rodger Young December 28, 2012 at 05:50 pm

I doubt it’s a M287, looks like a fired round relegated to field handling trainer. Very doubt the serial numbered sub calibre system is in place.

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TruthMan2012 December 29, 2012 at 12:42 am

no it’s not the one that shoots 9mm tracer rounds… it is an expended round converted to trainer state by removing the internal bar (which is amazingly easy)… notice they were careful to never show the rear or front of the tube directly…

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MANDINGO May 18, 2012 at 01:10 am

I may or may not know of film industry folks that have turned in piles of crap rifles sitting in their warehouses for a quick $1200 in groceries.

LA is ridiculous.

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ENDO-Mike May 27, 2012 at 09:46 pm

hahah that’s awesome. Good for them for capitalizing on a city’s stupid idea.

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Ninjavitis May 18, 2012 at 01:50 am

That looks like an expended tube, the color band indicates an HE antitank round. It’s in really good shape, the sights are still intact. I think the actual trainiers have a blue band.

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TruthMan2012 December 29, 2012 at 12:44 am

there are 3 color code bands, and the 9mm trainer has no band…

Black and yellow = HE
Gold/yellow =inert trainer
Blue= display/weighted trainer

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Punish3r May 18, 2012 at 02:49 am

ROFL at LAPD’s valiant actions of taking a training AT4 out of the wrong hands.. THANK GOD for americas finest!

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Josh May 18, 2012 at 04:45 am

Please refrain from using the anti-rights lobbies terminology of “buy-back”. You can’t buy something back that doesn’t belong to you in the first place. Buy-up would probably be a much better term.

Anyway. yeah fail

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Jeep May 18, 2012 at 04:52 am

Maybe he took on purpose a fake/inert tube to bring in front of the public, because he didn’t want to take any chance…
But this kind of marketing operation is a damn waste of good, valuable and sometimes rare guns that will be trashed for nothing…

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Linoge May 18, 2012 at 05:59 am

…but I wonder how many of the bought back guns were actually airsoft or 40 year old throwaway guns that don’t even work.

… or, worse, crime evidence that will now be destroyed and the scumbag who used it to hurt a law-abiding citizen will be able to walk away scot-free.

Gun “Buy-Backs” are a travesty of justice, history, and grammar (you cannot “buy back” what you never owned before), and should be abolished.

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ENDO-Mike May 27, 2012 at 09:48 pm

True about the crime evidence. I’m sure most of those guns end up at the bottom of a river though, unless the criminal is incredibly stupid.

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Josh May 27, 2012 at 09:53 pm

…unless the criminal is incredibly stupid.

Aren’t most criminals incredibly stupid?

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ENDO-Mike May 27, 2012 at 09:54 pm

True, I suppose that kind of criminal is stupid almost all the time.

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Vhyrus May 27, 2012 at 10:27 pm

Actually they did a study and most criminals have an IQ around 90 which makes them only slightly stupid. I believe the scientific term is ‘Dangerously Stupid’.

http://law.jrank.org/pages/1363/Intelligence-Crime-Measuring-size-IQ-crime-correlation.html

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Andy May 18, 2012 at 06:30 am

These “buy back” programs boil my blood. They boast about getting guns off the street. In reality, they are getting guns out of old lady basements and junk guns out the of the garbage heap. These publicity stunts do NOTHING to actually get guns out of the hands of criminals. They can’t possibly think that bangers are going to be turning in their “guages” and “gats” for a $50 gift card to some grocery store. Pathetic.

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Jeep May 18, 2012 at 07:16 am

Do you think the guy has started to grow a mustache BEFORE or AFTER the “Blue Bloods” show with Tom Selleck as chief of NYPD (and his mustache as co-chief of NYPD)?

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Al T. May 18, 2012 at 08:23 am

I need a buy back around here. I have a couple of clunkers that need to go, just not to anyone who might shoot them.

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ExurbanKevin May 18, 2012 at 09:04 am

If rocket launchers, grenades, and other such NFA-restricted items are so common that they show up in gun buy-ups to be paraded for the cameras by our moral and ethical superiors (just ask them, they’ll tell you it’s so!),

Why don’t I hear about said weapons being used in crimes?

I live in the Phoenix Metro area: We’re the #2 city in the world for kidnapping, according to these maroons, I should hear explosions outside my window like it was Ramadan in the Talmund.

Instead, I’m hearing sparrows chirp.

Something is wrong with their narrative…

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Jeep May 18, 2012 at 09:27 am

+1 Kevin.

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Jeff May 18, 2012 at 09:30 am

Hey, they sell those expended AT4 tubes at the marine recruitment center near my job =P

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The Other Dave May 18, 2012 at 11:47 am

I saw that in the WSJ and I didn’t take the time to really look at it, but I have a feeling it was a training tube.

LAPD, one step ahead of the DC police…but just one.

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Church May 18, 2012 at 02:24 pm

I hate buy backs, totally useless. I always think of the Family Matters episode where they give you a public service announcment suggesting you to hand in your firearms. lol

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mike b. May 18, 2012 at 07:10 pm

I bet someone involved with the buy-back bought a the AT-4 off of ebay or the like, and brought it down JUST to get the press..

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opiv6ix May 19, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Where I live they give out $100 grocery gift cards.

1) Buy used hi-point 9mm for $50.
2) Trade in for $100 grocery gift card.
3) PROFIT!!!

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TruthMan2012 December 29, 2012 at 12:47 am

Profit is step #4….. don’t ask me what step #3 is though

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JD July 20, 2015 at 11:19 am

Hahahahaha!

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TruthMan2012 December 29, 2012 at 12:48 am

Sadly I have seen these on sale down off Santa Monica BLVD and Vine in Hollywood for $150 each… they probably gave the guy $200 or more for this. The M72 LAW training tube they showed on the CNN video was very obviously a trainer… there was no band whatsoever on it…

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Bob February 5, 2015 at 05:55 am

For those of you who are worried that valuable war relics (Lugers, P-38’s, etc.) being lost to eternity in a scrap heap, worry no more. That’s not where the “good stuff” ends up. They get picked through by the benevolent police officers who selflessly give of their precious day off by volunteering to work at the event. Then the best ones go home with them.

See, a good share of cops are crooked. Just like the one you see in the image above. He holds an empty, harmless fiberglass tube above his head, purposely turned so that the word “Trainer” stenciled on the side of it is pointing up and can’t be seen by most of the cameras or onlookers. Then, with a devious grin (zoom in and read the facial expression, like they do to us) he purposefully lies to the public. So if the man at the top of the food chain sees no moral problem with lying to the public, then what do you suppose the ones further down the food chain are like? Sure, there are a few decent cops. I’ve met a few good ones. But there are usually more crooked ones than good ones in a department. Maybe it’s just a little misuse of power, like turning on their siren just long enough to get through traffic and pull into McDonald’s (I saw it just 2 days ago). But hey, they are important, and they only get a limited amount of time to eat their lunch, right? Next thing you know, they are making up moral excuses for stealing guns out of the evidence locker (I know cops who have done that too). But hey, they just don’t get paid enough, do they? They need personal firearms to train with, and they are just so expensive! So just steal a “free” gun, show up at the police-only firing range, and shoot up the “free” ammo given to them at the range. And yet half of them still barely hit the target (seen it, seen it, seen it–argue and whine all you want about it, I know what I have seen time after time.)

So don’t you worry one little bit. Those really nice guns aren’t headed from the scrap heap. And don’t worry, the city will still be safe! They are going into the “safe” hands of our “trusted” police officers!

I honestly wish what I just wrote was all fabricated. I TRULY do. But I’m sure you’ve seen it for yourselves.

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