Gun Free Zones

The gun store guys have a pretty standard gripe:

I’m not against open carry like Barry is.  If you want to open carry I say go for it, every police officer open carries and no one is all butthurt about that.  Why should a law abiding citizen that wants to protect themselves be treated any differently?

The gun store guys “No Loaded Gun” policy, I think is pretty reasonable for a gun store as long as that ONLY covers firearms that are carried in to sell.  The fact that at 7:46 Barry says they chamber check people that are even open carrying is VERY hypocritical if it is in a holster.  Concealed is concealed so obviously they can’t check that.  The stories these guys have about safety violations are insane.  I’m sure that’s pretty standard for all gun store employees.

Thoughts?

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Jake Whitepaw May 20, 2012 at 12:51 am

I suspect that they are more concerned about negligent discharges. It is their business, and as business owners it is their prerogative to make decisions regarding their establishment. If I were to walk into their store while open carrying, I would of course be annoyed when they made me empty my chamber. On the other hand, I would be just fine with them checking the chamber of a firearm which I wanted to pawn. That all said, I think that it is perfectly reasonable for them to have a single standard which applies to all who walk through the doors of their store. If it gives them peace of mind, it’s cool with me.

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hydepark May 20, 2012 at 05:14 pm

This is the most important thing anyone has posted yet. As private business owners, it is their decision on policies of this nature. If the rent or lease the building, then it’s up to the property owner. End of story. If this simple rule were followed we wouldn’t have smoking bans and the like. But, if they carry their weapons condition 1 inside their own store, then this is hypocritical and ignorant. Anyone can have an ND.

Case in point my brother (who is very familiar with firearms and firearms safety) was at my grandma’s house last Christmas and I was showing him an AR that I had just got done building. The first thing he did was pull the trigger and later that day he made a trip to Lowe’s to repair the hole that went through the ceiling, attic, and roof.

The point we should all be making regarding ND’s is that they may/can/will/do happen. When/if one does happen it should be done in the safest way possible. An ND isn’t deadly unless you’re disobeying all the other safety rules at the same time.

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Steve069 May 20, 2012 at 01:35 am

I’ve had a customer walk into my store (retail) with a Mossberg 500 in his hands looking to have a scope mounted. The woman who was supposed to be the door greater was preoccupied and completely missed him walk in. So there I am, arms resting on the gun counter in the hunting dept. and a kid walks up with a shotgun looking straight at me. If I wouldn’t have recognized him by selling him the gun the week prior, I would have shot him point blank. But unfortunately I cannot carry in my store, and fortunately he just wanted his scope bore sighted. 100% truth.

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ENDO-Mike May 20, 2012 at 05:52 pm

Wow, that’s nuts.

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Vhyrus May 20, 2012 at 03:34 am

For the love of all that is good and holy in the world do NOT, I reapeat, DO NOT take any of this as legal advice if you wish to not be a guest of the federal prison system in your life.

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Jim P. May 20, 2012 at 09:46 am

+1 to Vhyrus

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Dom P. May 20, 2012 at 03:49 am

My gun store encourages open/concealed carry.

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Taylor May 21, 2012 at 04:06 pm

as does mine.

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Critter May 20, 2012 at 07:31 am

a little gun store i used to frequent years ago had a number of discharge incidents over the years, resulting in several holes in the walls, light fixtures, restrooms and display racks. i even got to see a guy come in with a pistol he wanted a holster for and he was asked if it was unloaded (as there’s a sign on the door asking for no loaded guns in the store). hand to God, he points it right at the clerk’s face and begins cycling live ammo out of the mag. yup, it’s unloaded now! he was asked to leave. it’s dumbasses like this that have the gun store owners and employees enact such policies.

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The Other Dave May 20, 2012 at 08:12 am

~3:10, three guys doing a robbery with Saiga shotguns. Awesome.

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Johnnie F. May 20, 2012 at 09:00 am

I’m not a fan of everything these guys put out there but this is pretty damn good.

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Cartridgeholder May 20, 2012 at 09:14 am

The closest gun store to me is full of CoD teenagers/wannabe gangsters who ask if they can hold the ACR and the SCAR on the rack because they saw those guns in MW3. After muzzle sweeping the store and getting yelled at for having their finger on the trigger, they check out the Glock 17s and do the same thing all over again. I’m scared to think about all the NDs that are bound to happen if one of them gets their hands on a loaded gun.

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Jim P. May 20, 2012 at 09:46 am

After about the 10/10:30 minute mark they were all over the board and not on target for the gripe.

I also think there should be more open carry. An armed society is a polite society.

As far as the carrying on USPS property — it is Federal law everywhere. And if the post office is on it’s own government owned land, you can’t even legally have a firearm in your car in the parking lot. Legally, you have to park on the street, take off your gun off and then walk to the post office.

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Church May 20, 2012 at 02:56 pm

This reminds me of when I was at the post office not too long ago. I’m carrying and I check everywhere for a “No guns allowed” sign. Nothing on the door, nothing on the way to the counter. But, around the corner where the P.O. boxes are is a tiny sign on a bulliten stating no guns allowed. I do agree that it is bullshit to have a policy that is not clearly stated.

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Jim P. May 20, 2012 at 07:02 pm

As I understand it, especially in Ohio, if the sign isn’t prominently posted on the front door and you are carrying, concealed or open, the cops have basically been told that they can only warn you and put the onus back on the facility manager/owner to put up proper signage.

Now if you are caught in the facility with the proper signage, then they can ticket you for it.

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Aftermath May 20, 2012 at 09:37 pm

I do not chamber check people if they come in open-carry. I prefer they keep it in the holster.

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battlewagon May 20, 2012 at 09:51 pm

seems pretty dubious from a safety standpoint, removing an openly carried firearm from a holster to clear is a hell of a lot more likely to end in a negligent discharge than just leaving it in it’s holster. Does he have a clearing barrel and security manning the door? If not it’s a little asinine to make any presumably law abiding open carriers disarm when they don’t expect concealed carriers to do so.

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Linoge May 21, 2012 at 06:10 am

So these guys want you to unholster your gun, download it, reholster it, visit their store, unholster your gun, upload it, and reholster it, just to do business with them?

Yeah. Thanks. Think I will pass. Especially since they, by their own words, do not care about concealed carriers.

I like Coal Creek Armory’s rule – NO TOUCHING LOADED FIREARMS IN THE STORE. Period. The more you handle a loaded firearm, whether you are doing so to assuage someone’s personal phobias or not, the more chances you have of a negligent discharge.

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Ted N May 21, 2012 at 07:03 am

Why is “Stop touching it” so hard for people to understand?

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Gr-lll May 21, 2012 at 01:35 pm

I agree with Vhyrus. Even though you may not get caught doesn’t mean it’s OK to skirt the law. Just like improper possession of drugs, improper possession of guns pretty much opens you up to have your life ruined by our legal system. It shouldn’t be that way, but it just is, period. Both types of laws may be un-American and contrary to the freedom our founding fathers intended for us, but Uncle Sam has the power and the ability to destroy our lives at will.

If a business owner or other authority figure in a gun-free zone decides to make an issue out of it, they can totally use the legal system to destroy you. Just consider the recent case of the soldier driving through DC with weapons in his car.

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Joe May 21, 2012 at 10:14 pm

Those retards won’t even deal with CA on gunbroker. Screw that retard.

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