Complaining About The NFA

The gun store guys don’t like the National Firearms Act:

I’m really surprised they never upped the tax past $200, considering how affordable that is now.

I didn’t make it through the whole video because they go off on so many tangents, but some of you may want to watch it all.

These guys sure put out a load of videos.

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James M&P June 17, 2012 at 12:29 am

I could get a room and a hooker for .25 cents back in my day blah blah blah kids these days Blah blah blah. For fuck sake stay on topic.

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Church June 17, 2012 at 04:54 pm

I hate these guys.

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Frank June 17, 2012 at 02:23 am

“Affordable?” Who the heck are you trying to fool? That’s 200 dollars that could have been spent on hookers, pot, beer, and/or ammo.

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doyletoo June 17, 2012 at 06:56 am

The fact that the $200 tax hadn’t gone up also occurred to me. When it was enacted, $200 was a lot of money, not so much anymore. Just think of the revenue they could raise if they opened new class 3 firearms to private ownership and collected $500 tax on each one!

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Jon Hutto June 17, 2012 at 08:05 am

one of the problems now is people are starting to use full auto AKs in crimes here in Texas.
They are SE Asian, and middle eastern weapons come up from Mexico.

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Quint Young June 18, 2012 at 06:34 pm

Link?
(please dont just make claims like this with no proof)

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dave w June 17, 2012 at 10:19 am

i make it around $3400 from most online calculators in todays money.
By most i mean the two i tried

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Jim P. June 17, 2012 at 10:48 am

Probably the reason that it hasn’t changed is they would have to do a total re-authorization of the tax laws, and there is something else combined in the original NFA of ’36 they couldn’t get through again.

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2Wheels June 17, 2012 at 12:34 pm

They don’t need to up the tax past $200, they just refuse to hire more people to proccess applications, so the backlog grows so long that a lot of people won’t even bother. The wait time can be higher than 200 days…

Full auto guns I’m iffy about, mainly because I can’t afford to spray that many rounds downrange in a few seconds. But they should definitely at least reopen the registry for those with the dough to spend.

But I want suppressors and SBRs. I want to be able to walk into a gunstore and walk out with a suppressor 15 minutes later after undergoing the same background check I would go through for buying a handgun or a rifle, same for an SBR or SBS.

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ENDO-Mike June 17, 2012 at 12:39 pm

I agree the 200 days wait time some people have seen is dumb, but to me that just means you gotta think of your purchases 200 days sooner then you normally would have, so it ends up arriving on time. ;)

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Aftermath June 18, 2012 at 11:42 am

They just hired more per people.

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TheRealDave June 18, 2012 at 01:40 pm

You are iffy about the infringement of your rights because you could not afford ammo… unbelieveable. And you are ok with the government setting background checks. Nice.

Here is an example of lemmings at work.

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Kevin June 17, 2012 at 02:25 pm

I’m starting to like these guys more…

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Doctorscorry June 17, 2012 at 05:11 pm

I really think that the internet has had a big effect on the gun lobby and community. More people are able to log in and look up information that allows them to look through a lot of the anti-gun lobby lies.
the more people we have making videos about how ridiculous the NFA and the 200 dollar tax stamp is.
I continue to hope one day suppressors will be easier purchased, it will only lessen noise at ranges and while people are hunting. Most European countries require suppressors when you hunt!

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Phil June 17, 2012 at 05:54 pm

They don’t need to up the tax; while it is rather affordable now, going NFA now requires a fair amount of time. Time to get a tax stamp is 5+ months, and that’s if your item is at your dealer ready to go. It took about 10 months, start to finish, for me to get a couple suppressors. If you want full auto, 922o means that the tax is the least of your worries; the gun itself will run you thousands of dollars.

They aren’t going to fiddle with increasing the NFA taxes because it means kicking open a huge can of worms- with the wins gun enthusiasts have been having lately, it means we might pay increased prices for the tax stamps, but I would expect concessions such as reopening the full auto registry and mandated reduced time frames for approval. Maybe even removal of suppressors from the NFA entirely. That isn’t something the antis are eager to fight out. Easier to leave it as is and pretend none of it exists.

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Will June 17, 2012 at 09:37 pm

I could see MGs still needing the whole long process, but why not make short barreled shotguns/rifles and suppressors 4473-able or how about a special permit for them like C&R firearms.

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Jeep June 18, 2012 at 05:38 am

5:55
You can kill me with a SPOON ? Damn you gotta be so good!

Good point from them, but try to write it down, organize it a bit, and then read it, or learn it, because this way it is SO clumsy and repetitive.

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M-cameron June 18, 2012 at 06:32 am

im sorry, i usually like these guys but theyve got to get their facts right……the term “Assault Rifle” was not created by the media or the Clinton administration……it was a term coined by Adolf Hitler to describe the Sturmgewehr 44

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Aftermath June 18, 2012 at 11:43 am

Thanks for that; it has a specific definition which the media confuses.

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TheRealDave June 18, 2012 at 01:40 pm

The media applies it to semi-auto weapons. The Stg 44 was capable of full auto.

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Quint Young June 18, 2012 at 06:39 pm

Not ALL STG-44s were full-auto, also the term assault rifle is not an improper term for something like a semi-AK, it IS a rifle and it was BUILT for offensive purposes, though the term assault is a bit of a bad word to use.

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McThag June 20, 2012 at 02:07 am

M-cameron: Assault Rifle (sturmgehwer) = Hitler. Assault WEAPON = American Media.

Quint Young: Historians will want to see these semi-auto StG.44s. Where are they located? Is the provenance well documented? The specs from MKb.42 through MP.43 to StG.44 all demand a selective fire rifle.

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Quint Young June 20, 2012 at 02:07 pm

After the war there were select fire versions, they are rare but they exist, same with the FG-42. They made select fire versions for export and sale after the war.

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paul kimble June 18, 2012 at 08:29 am

wow i actually agree with these guys for once.

fuck HR 4332, fuck the GCA of 68, and fuck the NFA act of 34.

if you support any of them fuck you too.

those who hammer their guns into plowshares will get fucked in the ass.

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cc19 June 18, 2012 at 12:00 pm

+over 9000

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Jeep June 18, 2012 at 02:25 pm

Over 9000??

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Quint Young June 19, 2012 at 12:13 pm

Joel 3:10 – Turn your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears

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DaveP. June 20, 2012 at 04:11 am

Terry Pratchett: Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don’t.

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TheRealDave June 18, 2012 at 01:41 pm

It is always amazing how many gun owners are willing to crouch down and lick the hand that feeds them, to use a famous quote.

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Jeep June 18, 2012 at 02:26 pm

PPSH 41 was capable of full auto as well. Is that an assault rifle?

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Aftermath June 18, 2012 at 02:31 pm

I assume you are jesting, but no, primarily because 7.62×25 isn’t considered an intermediate cartridge.

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Chevy June 18, 2012 at 04:19 pm

aftermath is right. the PPSH 41 isnt really an assault rifle. its a sub machine gun. just like an MP5.

And last time i shot a ppsh-41 im pretty sure it was only capable of full auto fire, although i could be wrong.

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Jeep June 19, 2012 at 07:48 am

That was an innocent question, I was really wondering if we could consider it an assault rifle. Thanks for the answer, we have to consider the caliber as well when using this to describe a weapon.

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Aftermath June 19, 2012 at 10:26 am

The standard definition of an “assault rifle” is a select fire (automatic, in layman terms) rifle, with a detachable box magazine, firing an intermediate cartridge. By definition that is above a sub caliber (pistol round) and a high-power rifle cartridge. While some drums are made for assault rifles the primary role of the introduced “class” of weapon is not as a primary light machine gun.

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Aftermath June 19, 2012 at 11:17 am

Excuse me, it is in-between a sub and high-power caliber – not above them both.

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PaPaSha June 20, 2012 at 03:24 am

PPsh-41 in indeed select fire. The selector is in the trigger guard directly in front of the trigger.

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PaPaSha June 20, 2012 at 03:24 am

PPsh-41 is indeed select fire. The selector is in the trigger guard directly in front of the trigger.

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AnotherDave June 26, 2012 at 03:21 pm

$200 is fairly affordable, but since the supply is so limited, the actual purchase price is out of many people’s range.

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Dylan October 27, 2014 at 05:46 am

I must say I hate the NFA. I found myself a $300 Can. With NFA cost and FFL cost its now a $550 Can! The NFA is stupid. I hope someday they take that law off the books.

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