Tactical Moments

Shooting advice from a guy that seems to know his stuff:

I’ll definitely be keeping an eye on this series. The one part I don’t like though is in the first video he talks about keeping your grip high and on the demo gun he’s using he has his thumbs against the slide… yea good luck with that. You’re going to shoot and maybe you’ll get lucky a few times, but eventually your’re going to screw up the inertial of the slide and it either won’t extract the round properly or wont put a new round into battery.

haha I love the name though.  Have you ever had a tactical moment with someone?  I’m more interested in hearing stories about how you helped a cute girl pick out ammo for her CCW, not about how you locked eyes with some dude and complimented him on the amount of accessories he fit on his quad rail.

Hat tip: Mark K.

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MrColionNoir June 20, 2012 at 12:29 am

I Like this series.

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Matt June 20, 2012 at 09:51 pm

I like your channel, too!

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Jester June 20, 2012 at 02:05 am

Badass music, low saturation, and depth of field? I need a change of pants.

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shockfish08 June 20, 2012 at 02:36 am

They reppin us in Washington! :D West Coast armory is just up i-90 a little ways from me, they’ve got a pretty slick range. At their first open public demo shoot the milspec monkey stopped by, never thought that’d happen in my lifetime either :P Also Some employees from gunsnut media used to work there, they are pretty chill as well.

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Jae June 20, 2012 at 09:10 am

Thanks very much for writing about the Tactical Moment show! Stay tuned for more episodes and more winners!

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Al T. June 20, 2012 at 12:12 pm

“he has the fingers (finger?) of his right hand against the slide” – Mike, he has his trigger finger indexed on the slide to follow the “keep your finger off the trigger till the sights are aligned” rule.

And yes, John most certainly knows what he’s doing. Top tier instructor. :)

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ENDO-Mike June 20, 2012 at 12:28 pm

Actually it’s his thumbs. Since his thumb isn’t his trigger finger I think that’s an oversight. What do I know though haha

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Brian June 20, 2012 at 12:58 pm

The high grip with thumbs forward, either touching the slide, or next to it is a grip i’ve seen in a lot of classes, and never seen it mess with slide inertia. Maybe if they had aggressive front serrations, and were really puching into it… but i’ve never sen it happen.

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ENDO-Mike June 20, 2012 at 01:25 pm

Really? I’ll have to try that then if it works. I always did my best to keep any part of my hands away from contact with the slide.

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Tekkie June 21, 2012 at 05:35 pm

‘Tis true Mike. I use a hyper-aggressive grip when firing my G17, i.e. both thumbs high and tight on the slide. My good ol’ Glock has never failed me, and I’ve never had the slide bite me. You should definitely try it; it helps your grip get more in line with the rearward action of the gun, thus aiding in recoil management and faster followup shots. In theory anyway…

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Matt G. June 22, 2012 at 02:10 am

My thumbs end up in contact with the slide all the time. Especially on guns with low bore axis. But your thumbs don’t really press hard against the slide as all the tension should be in your palms and fingers getting a firm grip.

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Mark June 20, 2012 at 01:09 pm

It’s a pistol, not a “weapon system”.

I like the vids, but c’mon please. A little more practicality and a little less of the current operator industry slang.

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Brian June 20, 2012 at 01:41 pm

Yeah it’s what they teach at the Law enforcement skills classes around me. Also it’s taught by Greg “Sully” Sullivan, owner of the Defensive Edge. I’ve used it for a while now, and found that it gives me slightly better rigidity in the wrists compared to thumbs high.

It took a little getting used to, because like you i always tried to avoid touching the slide, but I’ve never had a problem with quite a few rounds downrange.

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Church June 20, 2012 at 01:58 pm

Alright, I like him.

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potus777 June 20, 2012 at 02:45 pm

yo , i don’t like bein’ silly but, wow, that moustache … wow …
not very low-drag tho…. …

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hnl.flyboy June 21, 2012 at 07:42 pm

not that low-drag, but definitely super-high-speed!

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Vhyrus June 20, 2012 at 04:42 pm

Holy crap that dude can double tap like a champ.

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dave w June 20, 2012 at 05:32 pm

I always tried to not touch the slide too, dont touch the moving parts usually is a good idea..Maybe i will try this grip next time.

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wickedmule June 20, 2012 at 07:28 pm

Good vids, I am an instructor too and thats right on the money with the NRA courses.

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m1310 June 21, 2012 at 05:58 am

This is good stuff, but I am deducting points because he didn’t yell “reloading” when he ran dry in the second video.

Anyone know what the rear sight on his pistol is?

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m1310 June 21, 2012 at 06:01 am

Lol, I meant “cover.” Need more coffee.

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Rob Reed June 21, 2012 at 01:43 pm

ENDO,
I’m not clear on your criticism here: “the demo gun he’s using he has the fingers of his right hand against the slide.” You mentioned the RIGHT hand. The only right hand finger on the slide I see is when he indexes his trigger finger (he’s right handed) on the slide outside of the trigger guard. That’s the normal spot to index when you have your finger off the trigger.

Now, if you meant to criticize when he put his LEFT (support side) index finger and thumb on the slide as part of his high, thumbs forward grip, that is a different matter.

For a right handed shooter, the thumbs forward grip, when done correctly, will place the LEFT (support side) thumb and index finger high up on the slide. This is a product of getting both hands high enough on the gun and completely wrapping the hands around the gun so that the recoil forces go straight up and down. As demonstrated, he is performing the grip correctly. The finger and thumb against the slide does not cause malfunctions.

If you aren’t familiar enough with the high grip thumbs forward grip you need to brush up a bit as it is pretty much the standard for competition shooting and is now also very common with more defense oriented instructors. It’s something you should be aware of if you are going to comment on this kind of training video.

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ENDO-Mike June 21, 2012 at 02:08 pm

haha

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t9gear June 22, 2012 at 03:41 am

A while back i took a defensive shooting class where he was the instructor. He’s a good instuctor and i learned alort from him.

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EventHorizon June 22, 2012 at 08:23 pm

This is completely different from what I learned at my defensive handgun course at the Chabot Gun Range in Oakland CA. We learned the “butterfly” grip where your thumbs are basically off the gun. I am sure there are multiple “correct” ways to shoot and whatever works best for you is the best method. This guy seemed a little close to the target when he was doing his shooting, what was hit like 5 feet away?

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