Concealed Carry And Dealing With The Homeless

MrColionNoir secretly wishes a homeless motherf***er would:

I consider homeless people to be in a class of “people that have nothing to lose”.  I really would prefer to have absolutely zero contact with that type of person, ever.  If jail or a criminal record really wouldn’t make your life any worse then it already is… why would I feel safe around you?  Depending on the time of day I usually just smile and shake my head “no” at them, or else just flat out pretend they are invisible.  I realized a while ago that saying anything just opens up a dialog where they will try to strike up a conversation in order to guilt the money out of you.

It’s a touchy subject because I’m sure there are plenty of people that are homeless because of legitimate mental issues, or physical disabilities that prevent them from working.  I’d pretty much guarantee most of the people begging for money on the street though are just scumbags who are lazy and realize that it’s more lucrative to prey on the average persons compassion, than it is to get some shit job when you have zero work ethic and absolutely no education.  Plus how can you possibly afford to get drunk and do drugs all night on minimum wage, and then be sober enough to make it in for your next shift?

Thoughts?  Do you agree with MrColionNoir?  What about my with my stance?

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Frank August 8, 2012 at 01:02 am

Your stance? I disagree to some extent.
My rules are simple:
1) If you ask for money, I will almost always say “No.”
2) If you aren’t asking for anything, and appear homeless, your shoes look like shit, I see you sharing drinks with more than 1 person. You have a tan that makes you look like a Indian-Mexican. Or anything else? I’ll probably just ask you what you want to drink then go buy it for you (outside of booze)*

*Did buy booze once for a homeless guy, but it wasn’t in America.

3) Homeless people are human beings
4) Homeless people who have given up on life, and just waiting to die through alcohol abuse, addiction, no motivation, etc I feel sorry for them.
5) If they fall under 4, yet get aggressive or yell at me when I say, “No.” To giving them money, I will immediately look at them as a threat.
6) Most homeless can’t always “get” jobs after they fall far enough. It takes longer to get up and stay up than it does to fall down. Even with that said, if they expect me to help I will give them nothing (unless they ask for water/food).

I’ve been strung out on my luck in life, when I was a kid and as I grow up. Some of it is poor planning. Just like some homeless I know what it’s like to have zero family as a support system. Friendship and communities have helped me a lot.

When I see gas attendants was my windshield at the stations, I always give them a dollar, if I can. If I can’t (i.e. no bills, or dollar coins) I don’t.

I have wondered what would it be like if I were homeless. Would I still carry? Would I sell it for food? Would I give up?

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Frank August 8, 2012 at 01:15 am

wash* wind-shield…

MrColionNoir says he’d help when he can. What the fuck does that mean? He could help as much as possible! He could sell his camera, car, etc to help them more. He could say, “Please don’t make any donations towards me, make time donations towards helping those in need.” Maybe he could spend less time making this video and more at a soup kitchen? Why doesn’t he print out pamphlets of pointers for homeless so they don’t make him feel so threatened? He says some homeless people may need help, then he says “but” which is a nice way to say “everything before ‘but’ doesn’t mean shit.”

No, I don’t think he should give the homeless money. But if anything, him and the homeless need to assess how they’re interacting with each other in society. <How we solve this, I don't know just yet.

Always threat assess the homeless?
How about threat assessing a black guy in baseball cap who don’t smile while driving at 12AM giving me the eye?

I’m more concerned with drunks in bars, tools (the people), and other angry fuckers who aren’t homeless.

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 01:26 am

Wow man….racist stereotype much? I agree with what MrColinNoir is saying. You want to help these people out, but depending on the circumstances under which they engage you they may be perceived as a mugger and inadvertantly shot. Personally, if I really have nothing important going on and I see an old guy carrying a sign that says ”homeless veteran” or the like I’ll go to the nearest fast food place, grab a meal, park OUT OF THEIR SIGHT since there could be others around looking to get the jump on you (had it happen) and deliver the meal to them with my hand VERY obviously on my holster. I carry weapons that print very badly for that purpose. If I’m ever approached and taken by surprise at night they will live until I realize that I dont recognize their face. I dont fuck around, but I dont ignore the destitute. If they ask for money I just tell him I only carry a credit card. Funny how they all know what that is. Vigilant Derptre probably struts his shit around town just waitng for a chance to pop a homeless person and put that training to good use.

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MrColionNoir August 8, 2012 at 08:26 am

“MrColionNoir says he’d help when he can. What the fuck does that mean? He could help as much as possible! ”

It means I will help when I can, like I have done on countless occasions, to the point that people around me have told me to stop because I was endangering myself. You have the audacity to question how and when I decide to help someone? I don’t owe you or any homeless person anything.

“He could sell his camera, car, etc to help them more.”

Hyperboles are cute but usually fail to provide any real substance and did nothing more in this case than facilitate your self-righteous indignation.

“Always threat assess the homeless?
How about threat assessing a black guy in baseball cap who don’t smile while driving at 12AM giving me the eye?”

Again, hyperbolic analogies serve as nothing but distractions from what is otherwise a useless analogy. I always notice that when people can’t win an argument logically they result to appealing to some non germane emotion. This video was about how some homeless people make threat recognition hard for people who conceal carry because they don’t want to shoot an otherwise well intended homeles person.

Whatever quasi racist antics you choose to engage in while in your car at 12am is your business.

Drunks in a bar, tools and other angry fuckers are easy to threat assess. When a rag-tag person approaches me from behind at 12 am that does not exactly give me a warm and fuzzy feeling on the inside.

Hell, a white guy without a baseball cap with a joker smile on his face approaching me at 12am from behind doesn’t give me warm fuzzy feeling.

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Heath August 8, 2012 at 10:16 am

If you want to help consider giving to organizations that feed, house or specialize in helping those homeless who want to get back on their feet and be self sufficient.

After seeing the piece John Stossel did on panhandling I’ll not give cash to anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OQjlzh279E

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ENDO-Mike August 8, 2012 at 05:06 pm

Just watched it, thanks Heath!

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Frank August 8, 2012 at 11:09 am

@D Larsen
“perceived as a mugger and inadvertantly shot.”

I don’t look at people as a threat that MUST be “inadvertently shot” like that until I genuinely believe my life or another’s is at risk from deadly force, maiming, threatening to kill me (i.e. they state death is involved without my co-operation). Of course like your filter, and Mr Colion’s we have difference levers in which we see a threat. He sees a man approaching his car to was his window late at night as a threat. I see it as an opportunity to say “No thanks.” It doesn’t stop me from keeping my HK on near center console of the vehicle.

Before anyone considers shooting the first escape should be determined, if you cannot escape or pride refuses to let you, one must accept that a human life might be taken. Once this is done, the attacker might not have an opportunity to correct their mistake, especially if they were just drunk. Again, escape should be determined first. We want to be civilized, then – I BELIEVE we need to treat humans in a civilized manner, even if some of them don’t with us.

@Mr Colion,

Go ahead and accuse me of being a “racist”. I’m using that example as a counter argument with your seemingly loathing of “nothing to lose homeless.” I’d probably be more comfortable if you said you were bothered more by “nothing to lose” anyone (regardless of their socio-economic standing).

Spending a lot of time focusing on homeless as a “nothing to lose” bunch because of their lot in life or misfortunes is no different (to me) with what you call are my “racist” comments. You’re just doing it in a socioeconomic manner. I’m not here to gauge which is worse. Nor should we. Your video is about threat assessment, however you are targeting a specific group of people. That’s where I draw a line, or say it’s fair to talk about ALL groups of people, whites, Jews, blacks, rich, poor, assholes, Catholics, etc.

You may see a difference between assessing people by race, but what about general bigotry towards the homeless? As I said, I don’t see a difference. People with or without money are still human beings. No one is born a criminal. And until someone actually commits a crime, they are not a criminal. I am not opposed to be alert, but spending time targeting the homeless and avoiding larger threats like those who are thugs, convicted felons who are repeat offenders, and so on seems biased to me.

Example: A woman breaks into your house to escape her violent husband who has beat her repetitively with fists and threats to kill her. You only hear that someone has broken into your house, it’s 12AM. Would you shoot any “intruder?” What about a deaf person who is trying to escape the same? Just like your examples, you are talking about people who are approaching you in a manner that unnerves YOU. I really want to know more about your own personal preventative measures, along with active measures.

It’s fine for me to see you argue against my viewpoints, as they are critical of you and you may feel the need to defend yourself. Yet now that you’ve said you’ve helped them, would you like to direct your audiences towards something constructive?

You said, “[You] fail to provide any real substance” Actually you ignored my proposition for pamphlets. Hell, you could even make it an “open carry event” where you give water out with some other (firearm carrying) friends, and information for shelters and resources for them to help themselves. I’d be more than excited to join anyone willing to do this within my own city. Obviously the objective would be to educate the homeless on resources and self-esteem, so that they don’t have to fall into an abyss of drunkenness, abuse, violence, etc.

It’s possible taken a few instances in your life that bothered you a lot, and it has made you biased and bigoted towards homeless people enough to make a video specifically about them. Since most of them don’t have a home with internet, it’s not like they can defend themselves right?

Again, I have no problem helping the homeless. But to focus our time looking at them as a “threat” is just disturbing to me.

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MrColionNoir August 8, 2012 at 12:35 pm

Don’t retreat now. You made the, “Black Guy with a baseball cap” analogy because you were aware of the racist undertones. I said it was quasi-racist. I didn’t call you a racist as I know you were simply drawing an analogy.

Seeming loathing? Are you kidding me? I clearly state in the video that I hate that I have to have a zero tolerance being solicited at night because I know there are some people who really need help.

You want to play semantics to make yourself feel better, but it’s not necessary. The people who are approaching me are HOMELESS, this is what they are telling me.

The video was 5mins, hardly an expose on the homeless. I am criticizing their approach to soliciting money. I am not criticizing the fact that they are poor. I clearly say this in the video, which I am convinced you did not watch in its entirety.

The video is about the unique ambiguity which arises when assessing the threat of a homeless person. It is not the same as any other type of threat assessment thus warranting a focus on this group of individuals.

So yes, I am focusing on a specific group of individuals not based on race, not based on their circumstance, but based on the tactics employed by those people who solicit money from people at night by approaching them. Homeless People.

The crazy thing is I am pleading their cause all the while criticizing their technique. Again, in the video, I clearly advised against being too quick to consider them all a threat, but that it’s easier said than done because the way they solicit money can come across ambiguously threatening.

This video is not about bigotry against homeless people. This is a Concealed Carry Life video dealing with the complication of threat assessment when dealing with homeless people who approach you to solicit money or even to do harm.

You are right, no one is born a criminal, but I would also like to not find out you are criminal after you have already began you criminal act against me. According to your statement, a homeless person can’t be a thug or a criminal. If a homeless person can be a thug or criminal, then it the point of video is valid. I can’t tell who the homeless thug or criminal people are and because the overwhelming people who approach you randomly at night are either criminals, thugs, or homeless, or all three combined, it becomes complicated in determining who is who when they approach you.

I never pulled my gun on any of these people, but they have put me in a position where I could very well have. If they had not approached me in such a manner it would have been the case. Obviously, I didn’t shoot them. I told you my preventive measures in the “VIDEO” which again you obviously did not watch. I become more aware of my surroundings and try to stop them before they get close enough to me to serve as threat with possible verbal commands, but because some homeless people soliciting money walk up behind you, you can’t always do that. (I am typing up my video again).

Your suggestion to hand out water and tell them about approaching someone at night sounds great, but it’s not rocket science.

YOU DON’T JUST APPROACH RANDOM PEOPLE AT NIGHT, AND YOU DEFINITELY DON’T SNEAK UP BEHIND THEM. BUT BECAUSE SOME HOMELESS PEOPLE STILL DO IT, WE AS CONCEALED CARRIES MUST TAKE BETTER MEASURES TO THREAT ASSESS PROPERLY BEFORE GOING TO THE GUN.

GO WATCH THE VIDEO.

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matt August 8, 2012 at 12:54 pm

“This video is not about bigotry against homeless people.”

Yes it was, and if it was not, how about you do a video about blacks? Statistically they are far more likely to be a violent threat than a homeless person ever will.

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MrColionNoir August 8, 2012 at 01:33 pm

Wait, so homeless people can’t be black?

If you feel Blacks are statistically far more likely to be a violent threat than the video isn’t need. There is no ambiguity, as you put it, it’s cut and dry.

Homeless people on the other hand are not as clear cut as my Black villainous brethren. I never stated homeless people were statistically more likely to be violent, so you’re analogy was useless. I simply stated they are more statistically likely to approach you in the middle of the night and ask you for money.

That can be threatening and very intrusive, thus, we must as concealed carriers be more cognizant of our surroundings and must put more effort in threat recognition because some homeless people have a tendency to approach in such a manner that would mistakenly deem them a threat.

Now, as for our black villainous counterparts, because they are so statistically more inclined to be violent, just shoot em in them in face.

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 04:11 pm

Mr Colin noir speaks the truth once again.

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The_BORG August 8, 2012 at 05:27 pm

As always! I happen to agree too. It’s called “threat assessment”. I do it all the time & I don’t have my CCDW permit yet. Been doing it for many years.

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matt August 8, 2012 at 05:06 pm

Its not that I feel that way, it is a simple fact. The top 3 tiers of violent crime in Chicago are from almost exclusively black neighborhoods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chicago_violent_crime_map_2006.png
The black populations of those top 3 tiers are primarily 97%, with two being 94% and 93%. I’d post links to the individual neighborhoods, but this post would probably get flagged as spam due to all the links. Also try reading The Color of Crime.

So you actually feel threatened if some guy walks up and talks to you at night? Scared of the dark now? Grow up, or do I need to buy you a night light?

I’ve never felt threatened by homeless people, they may be intrusive, but i’ve never seen them threaten someone who they were asking for cash.

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Will August 9, 2012 at 01:58 am

A homeless guy pulled a shiv on a friend of mine after he refused to give the guy money. The wounds that my friend endured were minor but the homeless man was an intravenous drug user and bled on my friend which could have given him anything from hepatitis to HIV/AIDS, and anti-viral medication has some pretty nasty side effects.

But hey, if you have never seen them threaten someone, guess it cant happen to anyone, right?

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matt August 9, 2012 at 08:56 pm

So your friend got stabbed, but it was the homeless guy who was bleeding… right.

Will August 10, 2012 at 01:27 am

My friend defended himself with his own knife, they were both bleeding, that is usually how knife fights work in the real world.

d0zer August 8, 2012 at 03:28 pm

Rightttt….. This, from the same asshat that claims members of our armed forces are welfare queens.

Whether you are a poorly informed troll, or simply an imbecile, is of little consequence. You have never added a single thing to any discussion, aside from rancor and venom–to which we can now add racist crap to the list. Oh and fwiw, if you want to ever be taken seriously, never cite the huffington post as a source.

TLDR? Go back under your bridge, I believe you have some goats that need molesting.

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matt August 8, 2012 at 05:00 pm

They are, LEOs too. Anyone who is dependent on the gov’t to support themselves is. It doesnt matter if they are working, if a bank gets a bailout or a corporation gets a tax break, we call that corporate welfare, even though the bank or corporation is still working. LE/Mil is no different, they are entirely dependent on the gov’t for their income because they are incapable of earning more in the private sector.

It doesnt matter what source I cite, if you would have bothered to click the link, you’d see there was a video attached. Its hard to argue against a gang of blacks beating up a homeless guy on the L.

How about I molest you instead?

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d0zer August 8, 2012 at 06:47 pm

Right and I suppose you fly to work with your little fairy wings, and power everything with your little fairy wand…… oh wait, no?

You mean you use the infrastructure the government set up, be it power, transportation, or enjoying the protection afforded you by LEO’s or our military, or whatever? ….(I can keep going) The point is none of this was paid for wholy by you.

So, ….. That means…..that means you depend on the government to provide an infrastructure for you to use/exploit? Say it ain’t so….

Pot meet kettle.

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matt August 9, 2012 at 08:57 pm

I’m not sure if you’ve noticed but a great deal of infrastructure in the US is privatized. And the LEO/mil doesnt provide protection to citizens. See Warren v District of Columbia for example.

D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 03:42 pm

Mr Colin Noir speaks the truth, now put out another anti vigilant spectre derp vid.

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Frank August 8, 2012 at 05:23 pm

Mr Colion, who are you to decide who I can and can’t approach at night? You’re uncomfortable with it, so now I can’t do it? You might want to approach a new video talking about approaching people under difference circumstances REGARDLESS of their lack of property/residence.

You also mentioned the homeless as a whole group, and your above post stresses that! That’s the problem I have with it. Instead of saying “some members of their groups” you bunch ALL of them together. You look at ALL homeless asking for money as a threat. Why not just talk about threats in general at night?

Due to a low-census I was relived of work one night. Waiting at a lighted bus stop I was approached by two guys, they were in their mid to late teens. One broke off, and I lost track of him. The other approached me and asked for cigarettes. Are they a threat? Depends! How close are they? Where are their hands? What if I didn’t see them and they approached? More of a threat? If they are homeless are they – God forbid – an even higher threat?

The video is titled in a way to focus the viewers attention SPECIFICALLY towards “the homeless” and whether or not they can present a threat. When in reality you should just talk about potential threats under X circumstances, and THEN dive into the types of people who are committing crimes. Also from your video a man approaching your car with a squeegee isn’t committing a crime, he just bothers you and you demonize him because a few/some people who are homeless have serious problems and commit crimes.

That is where I am bothered, because it’s like saying a rape victim should treat all men at night as rapists. Should you give homeless people the benefit of the doubt? I think you should while stressing being alert and polite.

Mr Colion: “[B]ut they [the homeless] have put me in a position where I could very well have. ”

You almost drawing a weapon because of them? So it’s their fault you choose not to escape if presented the opportunity? You had to be out at 12AM? Again, it’s ONE homeless guy, not the whole homeless population. Say whatever you want, but you are talking about ALL homeless at night and whether or not homeless approaches you. Unfortunately you walking on a sideway and them coming in your direction could also mean, “approach”. Doesn’t it?

In this case, and I hope you’d agree with me, that regardless of whether or not a figure is homeless, as a potential threat approaches, threat assessment should be active. <This is something I believe your video is trying to say. My problem is that you are using a specific group of people whom you are not a member (or you have yet to identify as a member of the homeless community).

Some women who walk animals at night face the same with you Mr Colion and myself. The same fear and concern on homeless, some women will feel towards men if they are "approached" at night. If we (you and I) happen to be walking down the street alone – I doubt you live in the PNW – and a woman is approaching us, she'll probably try to identify if we're a threat or not, and even more so if she has been a rape victim.

I think both the of my example woman, and you share similar biased (and most likely bigoted) feelings.

As for me? Biased, bigoted feelings?
Hell yes. If I see a punk regardless of color, dressed in X clothes saying X type of thing, or walking with an “attitude” I will be concerned. Where I live this applies to the whites (especially), blacks (what few we have), and Mexicans.

Homeless people are criminals or become them, just like white people with or without jobs, and blacks with or without jobs.

Again the problem is that you didn’t say (homeless) thugs at night or homeless criminals. You say “homeless” and therefore they are bunched together. I understand that one is not a criminal until they commit a crime, and for fairness, I doubt you want to find out (as you’ve said). Again, and again, this is the problem. My opinion here is NOT to slander you or your other videos, I’m asking for you to justify (hell even scientifically, and if not, religiously?) why you are bunching them altogether, and if you are for some accountability.

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I can’t really answer some of your questions, because you made most of them statements. But I’ll try.

I did watch the video. Yes it is short. Yes, it is a generalization of the homeless. And yes, it’s your opinion.
My problems (again) are due to the generalizations. And it’s about since “the homeless” why not do a video about the Mexicans, white and/or black “gang banger” looking fellows, the white/black/Eastern-Asian people (from lower class to upper class), and so on.

If you said, “Threat assessments at night.” I’d probably have a different reaction, but since the foundation of the video relies upon using the “homeless” in a general sense I’m bothered.

It’s like saying “Black people and water don’t mix” (i.e. they aren’t good swimmers), which I’ve actually heard before from people (both from blacks and non-blacks) and biased/bigoted statements like that make me cringe.

Again, anyone from any social class of people could have or might ask you for money, or even “Can I use your cellphone?”, or in my case (several times) “Cigarette?”, but you didn’t mention anyone other than “the homeless”. What happens if a homeless person needs your help? What happens if you’re being attacked by a homeless person, and another homeless person comes into to intervene (try to save you from an attacker)? Generalizing that you don’t approach ANYONE ever under any circumstances at night is a terrible idea. What happens if you need a phone immediately? Find a store? What if there are none?

What I see happening is that you will end up having your supporters viewing the homeless as a potential threat because of the gross generalizations. You make good videos, this one I don’t like. And like a good artist, musician or conversationalists, there will be some people who enjoy the bulk of your work, others who enjoy this or that, and some who just like one thing.

I have NO problem with you assessing a threat, but to treat a large group of people as a threat is bigotry (don’t confuse with racism). And for you or your supporters to bash verbally upon those who disagree is depressing and counter-productive.

Your criticism of the homeless and their approach is noted, so now what’s the solution for us (with a CCW) and the homeless? Wanna talk about pamphlets yet? ;)

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El Duderino August 8, 2012 at 11:09 am

Nice rebuttal.

Especially the race part. Only time in my life I’ve felt in danger because of the color of my skin was in E. St. Louis at 2am on a Saturday night. And I’ve spent time in most big cities on both coasts (yes I am aware E. St. Louis is not on a coast). Fact is if you treat people with respect 99.99% of the time they will reciprocate. And avoid trouble by being in Condition Yellow and pick your battles carefully.

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Dr. Dave August 8, 2012 at 01:34 am

The homeless can be wise, and will share things that can be of enormous value if you dont know the city. And you dont know the city like they do. And the price of this wisdom? A hand full of change or a cigarette. Incredible HUMINT. The least you can do is look at them and shake your head. They deserve to have their existance acknowledged. That can be worth more to them than change. They have a rough life. And they didnt chose it. So be cool, and dont be a dick. People are less likley to be threat to you if you aernt a complete dick to them.

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John August 8, 2012 at 01:34 am

The homeless are the reason I started carrying Fox Labs OC spray. They were a daily annoyance while I lived in Milwaukee. Its one of those situations that you will have a hard time justifying pulling a gun unless they pull a weapon on you. I never ended up having to use my OC spray, but did put someone to the ground who tried knocking me off my bike. He got pissed I broke his phone. I had no interest in getting in a fight with him, so I just took off.

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 01:44 am

I live in the Milwaukee area too, it was really bad around my employer’s office because there were always crackheads standing across the street with hookers. When I had to work late or head to the office in the middle of the night I was almost always harassed. Never drove a car worth more than 5000$ to work after the 1st 2 got trashed (some security guards we had eh?). Anyways hopefully the wombat derp will end up homeless and somebody will cap his ass when he asks for some crack in exchange for a blowjob.

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Vhyrus August 8, 2012 at 01:39 am

I usually pocket carry, so whenever I have someone approach me or pass me in a compromising manner I simply put my hand in my pocket and grab my gun. Doesn’t look like anything other than a guy with his hand in his pocket to them, and if they jump me I have my gun out in less than 1 second. I don’t tell them to get back or turn into a giant douche, I simply talk to them while checking my 6 and keeping my gun ready. No need for hysterics.

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James M&P August 8, 2012 at 07:18 am

The Homeless understand aggression. If you point at them and say FUCK OFF loud enough they will go away. If they keep coming after you yell that command you do have a threat. I have walked among them and I don’t have a scratch. People think I am being an asshole but that is the way you have to be with them. They will prey on the weak, so, don’t be weak.

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Dontshootmebro August 8, 2012 at 07:29 am

We have homeless cannibals walking the streets in bath salt induced rages these days. I prefer my response to disencourage the practice of begging on a larger scale. Noir reminds me of some very wise advice, “Be polite. Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.”

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matt August 8, 2012 at 12:43 pm

The homeless guy was the victim, and toxicology determined the perpetrator was not under the influence of bath salts. It was just a black guy with a home as usual committing the crime

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librarian45 August 8, 2012 at 01:59 pm

Matt. you just a white power troll?

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matt August 8, 2012 at 05:07 pm

Scared of the facts?

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 11:06 pm

if a white guy had done it you wouldnt have said ”well thats typical…kill whitey” dumbass – go join the vigilant spectre derps

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lb August 8, 2012 at 08:56 am

As much as helping people in need is considered a good thing, if overdone it can be a waste of resources. You should never ‘sacrifice’ to make someone else feel good. Only do it if it makes you feel good to help them. Selfless martyrdom (selling camera, car, etc) is stupid and doesn’t exist. The human race needs you to be productive and an active member of the market economy. Working and giving your earnings away so someone else doesn’t have to work distorts the market. Thankfully more people do not feed the homeless. You subsidize what you want more of. We already subsidize the wrong things. Poverty is the root of unhappiness. Free markets and profit are the only things that have historically moved the masses out of poverty.

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Pete L August 8, 2012 at 09:33 am

Not so sure about Spectre blasting random homeless guys but wombat def looks like a crack whore. Mrcol… Watch out man these guys will turn on you in a second.

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 04:29 pm

Indeed he does. He probably loads up on bath salts before every derp day they have.

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 04:38 pm

All those vigilant spectre derps are probably racist little pieces of shit filled with chunks of white power hate. Mr Colin Noir, your thoughts sir?

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Pete L August 8, 2012 at 09:42 am

I usually assess crackhead status before acting. But usually I go to McDonalds and bug them a meal. If its a looking for a job thing I have put at least 2 homeless ppl in contact with an employer to have them show up for 2 days and quit. I no longer do this. I’ve also had people get pissed at me because I bought them Food instead of gave them money. I have also seen ppl outside of football stadiums begging put money in a billfold that had several hundred dollars in it. My heart is growing hard

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Weer'd Beard August 8, 2012 at 09:49 am

I had one hobo follow me down the street because I ignored his request for money (sorry, most pan-handlers are scam artists, they want money for drugs and booze, or they simply want free money…the ones that really need food are a strong minority, I know so many people who have offered to buy them a meal and gotten sworn at)

I was seconds away from pulling my knife on this guy before he backed down (it was before I was a gun owner).

Also Homeless are more likely to be the people in public drunk or twisted on drugs who will do unpredictable and violent things. Yeah I avoid them as much as possible as well!

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s30 August 8, 2012 at 11:21 am

-“Do you have any spare change?”

-“Sorry, I dont have a spare job.”

Either they are confused by that or come unhinged.

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Jwhite August 8, 2012 at 12:30 pm

“Plus how can you possibly afford to get drunk and do drugs all night on minimum wage, and then be sober enough to make it in for your next shift?”

Quite easily BTW. If you’re smarter than the majority of the people you’re working with you’re most likely not going to be singled out, and if you are, they have no proof, it’s speculation at best. Unless you come in smelling like booze, or marijuana, there is no way you’re going to get caught.

Just saying.. I’ve worked with some people in the past who where “stupid” about drug use, smoked joints on their lunch break, pie faced durring a rush, hit the bar before they came in, smelled like one too. Worked with this one girl who every 30 minutes would get up and go to the bathroom, like clockwork… *sniffle sniffle* for a few minutes when she came back. People use drugs. It’s just a fact of life.

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matt August 8, 2012 at 12:51 pm

TBH, blacks statistically represent a far greater threat than the homeless ever will. In fact the homeless are quite often the victims of crimes. For example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/12/chicago-police-search-for_n_1090036.html

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jskit August 8, 2012 at 02:09 pm

Slow clap for the racist white guy.
As a fellow pale complected person, I’d like to say get the hell over the black/white bullshit, Honkey. It’s 2012, there are only 2 races of people these days; regular people and assholes. I believe you to be of the latter.

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 07:08 pm

win

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cc19 August 8, 2012 at 10:23 pm

You sir, have won the internet for today.

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 04:52 pm

Thats not a black thing, thats a product of ”urban”, ”ghetto”, ”hip hop”,”rap”, or whatever label you want to use for that subculture. Theres plenty of white people out there who would do the exact same thing if they watch too many rap videos and convince themselves theyre a gangksta. Now I am absolutely prejudiced against anyone who seriously thinks they’re a ”g”. Black or white has nothing to do with it, but those people think they have something to prove to anyone and love to perpetuate their fantasy of thug life. They are indeed a threat that must be assessed at every opportunity.

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matt August 8, 2012 at 05:09 pm

I see… which is why if you watch the videos of people acting out at World Star Hip Hop, it is almost exclusively blacks. Its just a big coincidence right?

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 05:17 pm

Almost exclusively is not exclusively. Additionally, my area is predominantly white, and most of the criminals are white guys wearing doo rags driving around in 1985 caddys or lincolns blasting ”fuck the po-lice” acting hard. It’s an issue of a violent subculture, not race.

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Frank August 8, 2012 at 05:27 pm

Yes, and being bigoted against a subculture of people such as homeless is no different! Just different labels.

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 05:43 pm

Homeless people are not inherently violet, the subculture I implicated is. While not all of them are violent it is an undeniable fact that they are exponentially more likely to commit crimes and random acts of violence than mainstream culture.

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Frank August 8, 2012 at 05:56 pm

People who enjoy heavy metal aren’t inherently violent either, the subculture just happens to have some people who are violent. Just like racist blacks and whites, some are still racist and yet most would rather be left alone than to go out and cause violent trouble.

@D Larsen, I’d like to see data provided by you and/or one of your supporters regarding your above comment. And I’d like you to define what “mainstream culture” is, and where one can find that within each of the 50 states of the United States.

Again you’re grouping them together implying that ALL homeless are highly likely to commit crimes (because they’re homeless). A solution is to give them homes! Like 1811 in Seattle.
http://www.seattle.gov/housing/homeless/1811.htm

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 07:06 pm

My information comes from my life experiences which I trust more than anything I can pull off the internet. You obviously haven’t been paying attention to what I’ve said. My point here is that homeless people are less likely to commit violent acts than people who ascribe themselves to ”gangksta thug hood life” culture. Think about this question. Really think about it objectively. At 1am, who is more likely to assault you or rob you? A black man covered in 5 jackets even though its 80 degrees and is sporting a huge beard who asks you if you could spare some change, or a white man with a large gold chain around his neck, pants practically around his knees, a shirt 5 sizes too big that is only 1 solid color, and a hat displaying a marijuana leaf who walks up on you quickly and says ”give me yo wallet muthafucka biotch!” Switch the skin colors of the 2 individuals and answer the same question. The gangksta thuggish derp is my answer in both cases, white or black. Mainstream culture would be people who believe in getting a legitimate job to support themselves, are against drug use, crime, violence against and objectification of women, and gangs. They also believe that use of standard English with minimal usage of what I will call fake made-up words is a proper way to speak. Additionally, they wear their pants above their waistline without their undergarments exposed. Why? because they recognize that this style of dress originally meant you were somebody’s bitch in prison and the subculture I am criticizing somehow turned it around to mean that you are tough.

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 07:14 pm

As for your other points, where can you find mainstream culture? My neighborhood. Basically anywhere people have middle or upper middle income jobs. Why is it found there? Because they are satisfied with their lives and don’t need to masquerade as tough gangksta thug homeboyzzzzz that perpetuate drugs, violence, and idiocy in order to feel good about themselves. Give the homeless people homes? Give huh? I believe someone referenced John Stossels freeloaders documentary. That is my response. Promoting an entitlement culture is just about the most anti-capitalist unamerican philosophy out there.

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 07:14 pm

Go join the vigilant spectre derps. Theyd love to have you.

D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 07:20 pm

What you were not paying attention to, or I did not articulate clearly enough, was that I am saying homeless people are less likely to be dangerous than other groups that are present in our society and that these groups are not defined by race- they are defined by the subcultures with which they blatantly identify themselves.

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MrColionNoir August 8, 2012 at 05:51 pm

You can’t just post on your own at worldstart, the people who run world startindividually hand pick each video. lol. smh. Jesus.

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matt August 9, 2012 at 09:05 pm

wtf is world start?

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Arm3nian August 8, 2012 at 01:59 pm

I did not realize that CC was a “job”, but then I guess I do not take myself seriously enough to think that since I am carrying my PPQ with defense loads all of a sudden I am on duty and I am in fact captain America… You cannot be serious. Kid that shot up the movie theater looked like a goober, if you saw him on the street, you would not think about him twice, but a homeless person makes your spider senses tingle? I have been carrying a gun for over a year, not once did I ever think that I am on a job or a duty of a sort. Other than protecting my wife and daughter. If the choice came to shooting a guy who is trying to mug me or giving him 20 bucks that is in my wallet, I would give up the 20 and let the fucker keep his life. This doesn’t make me a good, nor a compassionate person. Because if that would have been a situation where my wife or daughter would be involved that prick would be in a world of hurt.

“Whatever quasi racist antics you choose to engage in while in your car at 12am is your business.”

Treating every homeless person as a threat is OK, but being cautious around a black dude(when statistically there are more black people in jail than homeless people) is racists??? Whycome???

If I am driving down MLK Way at 1am and I see a group of black people at the light I am about to pull in to, I will lock my doors and will take my gun out of the holster and if conditions allow come to be first at the light so I can take off if shits going down.
But I will do exactly the same thing with a bunch of skinheads, bikers etc. etc. Does this kind of stereotyping makes me racists? Or am I free to use my better judgement and common sense???

Also are you allow yourself a few drinks while you CC or you can’t since you are on the “job”???

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Frank August 8, 2012 at 05:32 pm

This is exactly what I’m trying to point out.
Threat assessment should be done on a case by case basis and not applied in a sweeping fashion like targeting people by race or through socio-economic standing, lest we forget what the last few wars were about (and genocide still happening in some countries around the world within the last 40 years).

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 07:40 pm

that is a good point but calling it a case by case basis is too general. The cases where people can be categorized on the fly as belonging to 1 of the modalities you referenced obviously demand more attention than a homeless person

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librarian45 August 8, 2012 at 02:03 pm

beggars drive me nuts. this isn’t soviet russian. there are lots of public programs to help people get back on their feet and lots of homeless people use these programs to make something of their lives.

some times bad shit happens to good people and they deserve support and help.

If you’re homeless and outside of a shelter at night it’s because you screwed up and the shelter won’t let you in.

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matt August 8, 2012 at 05:13 pm

or the shelter is full, or that there are some shelters that are female only, or that they have check in/out times which are incompatible with jobs, or require compulsory attendance of religious services, etc

http://www.squidoo.com/why_homeless_people_avoid_shelters

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junyo August 8, 2012 at 09:03 pm

Lots of homeless people don’t go to shelters on purpose because the street is safer than trying to sleep around younger, stronger, working as a team, homeless people.

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dave w August 8, 2012 at 08:10 pm

don’t worry guys, i will be working on a batch of hobomax this week, 9mm and 380 available by the weekend

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junyo August 8, 2012 at 09:11 pm

Not sure why this is a question of the homeless versus anyone that has an inappropriate sense of personal space. Homeless/not homeless, red/white/black/yellow/plaid, you get inappropriately close for no good reason, you’re a potential threat, and treated accordingly. Having your guard up around homeless people because they have nothing to lose just means your guard’s not up for the guy in a suit who’s wife just left him, took the house, the kids, and the dog, the day he got fired and found out his mistress gave him herpes. And unless you’re doing home visits, the only thing you really know about the tanned, well dressed guy next to you at the bus stop is he had recent access to a shower and a laundromat. That seems like awful thin proof that he’s less of a threat than the malnourished and fragrant vagrant.

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D Larsen August 8, 2012 at 09:55 pm

O and y’all can thank me for knocking vigilant Spectre off the air. He always uploads a video every 7 days. As long as I’ve been crusading against his derp he’s followed that pattern. Today was his deadline and it has passed. Couple more moves on my end and all his vids will be taken down. You’re welcome guys

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paul kimble August 9, 2012 at 08:43 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeiApaVXPzY

wtf larsen? too much text too little action.

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jpcmt August 8, 2012 at 11:37 pm

Daggum this got ugly. My 2 cents (about what it’s worth): 1) yep, the content was a little harsh. Bigoted, mean, unnecessary – a little. I understand the context and value that, but not at the expense of the harshness. 2) Please don’t let these douchebags derail your video ambitions. Some of them were dropped on their heads a lot or ate too many lead paint chips. Keep on keepin’ on.

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Pete L August 9, 2012 at 07:28 am
Just a Dollah August 9, 2012 at 08:43 am

What ever happened to the laws of Darwin. Only the strong survive and reproduce?

We try so hard to help these people, yet nothing seems to help those afflicted with drug and alcohol addiction. If they’re not productive members of society, then let them go.

As for concealed carry and defending one’s self against one, I’d rather walk across the street and avoid them. I’d rather not even look at them, for the sake of even starting a conversation with them. Remember the Tueller Drill – 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. These people have more lethal threats than just potentially harming you. They have Hepatitis C, Hepatitis B and HIV. I’d rather avoid them and let them rot away.

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paul kimble August 9, 2012 at 08:53 am
Regulus March 26, 2013 at 02:18 pm
thebe December 9, 2014 at 05:01 pm

So it isn’t so much that you hate the homeless, it’s that you disapprove of beggars and are wary of them. I didn’t watch you video. I read you blog and your comments. It’s true “when you don’t have nothing, you have nothing to lose”. My favorite line in my favorite Dylan song. Another favorite line “freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.”

I suspect I will be homeless at the end of the month. I used to have a house and good job making over 50k a year, a little over ten years ago. I lost my job in 2002 and sold my house and bought a business in a different state with my 401k money. I lost everything and was bailed out by my brother and taken in by my son. I got another halfway decent job but it was contract and only lasted 3 years. After two years of unemployment I took a slave wage call center job which I finally lost after a year and a half. It was minimum wage as far as I was concerned and it was abusive and just horrible. My unemployment now is a whopping 270.00 per week and though I live in an apartment which is on the low end as far as what rent costs in my area, I can’t make it. I am denied most help from social service though they did grant me 32.00 per month for food.

Anyway, I will be evicted at the end of the month and job prospects do not look good. I’m sure I could beg to my family to put me up but I don’t want to burden them or really live under their roof.

So, I’m considering to just drive, drive, drive. Thankfully, I have a van … in bad condition but it still runs. Thinking of just driving across the country to California … Big Sur or northern Ca where climate stays steady. I won’t be a beggar. I welcome the weight loss. I just want to go to the most beautiful area of the country I ever been in and perish there. I’m not young, but not old enough to collect retirement.

Expect to see more elderly being homeless or people under 70 years old, especially if the retirement age is raised.

It is my last resort to do that, as of right now I still have a roof over my head and I’m checking into things. I’m not crazy about taking another slave wage job and I can’t tell you how difficult suicide is for someone like me who hates pain. If I could interview Robin Williams right now, I’d ask him how long the pain of hanging oneself took and how horrible was it. I don’t like that anyway. It’s a bad legacy to leave to my children and grandchildren.

I’d rather just do what many other species do in the animal kingdom … just walk away and hide somewhere and let it happen naturally.

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