You will RECOIL in horror at editor Jerry Tsai’s thoughts on the HK MP7:
“Like we mentioned before, the MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Mike Cabrera of Heckler & Koch Law Enforcement Sales and veteran law enforcement officer with SWAT unit experience points out that this is a gun that you do not want in the wrong, slimy hands. It comes with semi-automatic and full-auto firing modes only. Its overall size places it between a handgun and submachine gun. Its assault rifle capabilities and small size make this a serious weapon that should not be taken lightly.”
A response from Jerry Tsai himself:
Hey guys, this is Jerry Tsai, Editor of RECOIL. I think I need to jump in here and clarify what I wrote in the MP7A1 article. It looks like I may not have stated my point clearly enough in that line that is quoted up above. Let’s be clear, neither RECOIL nor I are taking the stance on what should or should not be made available on the commercial market although I can see how what was written can be confused as such.
Because we don’t want anything to be taken out of context, let’s complete that quote and read the entire paragraph:
“Like we mentioned before, the MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Mike Cabrera of Heckler & Koch Law Enforcement Sales and veteran law enforcement officer with SWAT unit experience points out that this is a gun that you do not want in the wrong, slimy hands. It comes with semi-automatic and full-auto firing modes only. Its overall size places it between a handgun and submachine gun. Its assault rifle capabilities and small size make this a serious weapon that should not be taken lightly.”
Let’ also review why this gun should not be taken lightly. In the article it was stated that the MP7A1 is a slightly larger than handgun sized machine-gun that can be accurately fired and penetrate Soviet style body armor at more than 300 yards. In the wrong hands, that’s a bad day for the good guys.
As readers of RECOIL, we all agree that we love bad-ass hardware, there’s no question about that. I believe that in a perfect world, all of us should have access to every kind of gadget that we desire. Believe me, being a civvie myself, I’d love to be able to get my hands on an MP7A1 of my own regardless of its stated purpose, but unfortunately the reality is that it isn’t available to us. As a fellow enthusiast, I know how frustrating it is to want something only to be denied it.
Its manufacturer has not made the gun available to the general public and when we asked if it would ever come to the commercial market, they replied that it is strictly a military and law enforcement weapon, adding that there are no sporting applications for it. Is it wrong that HK decided against selling a full-auto pocket sized machine gun that can penetrate armor from hundreds of yards away? It’s their decision to make and their decision they have to live with not mine nor anybody else’s.
I accepted their answer for what it was out of respect for those serving in uniform. I believe that we as gun enthusiasts should respect our brothers in law enforcement, agency work and the military and also keep them out of harms way. Like HK, I wouldn’t want to see one of these slip into the wrong hands either. Whether or not you agree with this is fine. I am compelled to explain a point that I was trying to make that may have not been clear.
Thanks for reading,
- JT, Editor, RECOIL
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Do I agree with the MP7 not being available to civilians? No.. i’m all about unlimited ownership with no restrictions. Criminals have that perk, why shouldn’t the rest of us?
I don’t know what the process looks like at RECOIL before something goes to print, but I’m pretty surprised a loaded statement like the one that was made slipped through the cracks. Jerry Tsai’s response above didn’t really do him any good in my opinion. Pretty big scandal to have already on issue #4. My guess is people will forget about this next week, and their magazine sales will be better than ever.
If you want to read hundreds of angry comments head over to the RECOIL Facebook page.
What are your thoughts? Are you boycotting this magazine for good, all because of this one statement? Are you organizing a “magazine burn/shoot” where you destroy your first 3 issues?
Hat tip: Murphy, Eric, Scott, Matt M., Matt S.
That quote sounds like something from the Brady Campaign website.
Im not repling to to your comment I just couldnt find where to post a comment, so here goes
I don’t even want one… just one more stupid weird round to have to find and pay ass loads of money for when you do find it… very much like 5.7×28, at least with 5.7 there are 2 guns and a AR15 upper you can get that can use it…
And how is a semi-auto pistol MP7 any more dangerous in the FN57? Or a semi-auto SBR MP7 vs SBR PS90?
It isn’t. There are two reasons that we don’t see the MP7 in the US, first Hks disdain of the civilian market. Yes they are selling to the civilians now, but don’t kid yourself they gladly drop every single civilian customer for a military contract of equal numbers delivered.
Second ammo price. Like the KAC PDR, these niche cartridges have a very small market. Other then the smaller weapon size they do very little that SBR AR-15s can’t also do. So there would never be a large market for ammo, thus there would be few companies making ammo for it. Expensive ammo means less guns sold, which repeats until it is like the PS90 that is often talked about but rarely shot or purchased.
Now as far as the magazine, the quote is awfully short sighted of them. But it won’t change my buying habits. I almost never buy gun magazines (except the ones that come with my memberships), and I doubt that will change. After all the information in the traditional gun press is two months old before it hits the news stands, and the reviews are suspect due to advertisers.
And yet, they have no qualms about selling to conflict zones
HK does not make more money on military contracts over civilian. Never has and never will. For some reason HK haters love to spout that BS. You really think a military contract could ever touch worldwide civilian sales? Believe me HK is very good at retaining a civilian customer base, it’s there bread and butter. The gun is badass I would love to have one and the guy who wrote the article probably regrets his quote at this point.
Then HK is just terrible at what it does then. They create guns that their fans clamor for, and then drag their heels while getting them to market, if they even bother to sell them to the public.
They are good at retaining their civilian customer base because civilians are willing to take left overscraps and their stupid design decisions.
Examaple one, MR556 has a barrel heavier then the IAR (a sort of light machine gun), without any sort of lining or treatment.
Example two user clammoring to LEM guns Hk still makes a majority of their guns in their horrid DA/SA trigger.
Make makes stuff for government contracts, if civilians want to buy it, they will gladly sell it to you. But they make no real attempts to respond to the demands of the civilian market.
Err make paragraph should be “Hk makes stuff…”
The “MR” in MR556 is Match Rifle. Hence the heavy barrel and no lining. And as far as horrid DA/SA the guns are designed for combat use not match/competition use.
Then HK is completely incompetent as to how to market and manufacture a product for civilian sales in the US. AFAIK they aren’t manufacturing and marketing any semi-auto rifles in the US to get around 922r as SIG has done with the 556. If they don’t want to manufacture here themselves they could license factories in the US. They haven’t done it. The majority of the ‘HK’ rifles in the US in civilian hands are roller lock clones from Vector, PTR, Special Weapons etc. Yes, HK handguns are in wider US circulation.
Jerry sounds like he works for H&K not RECOIL magazine…
H&K can go suck it; I’ll take a PS90 and 5.7×28 any day over an MP7 and 4.6×30
No shit, what a bunch of tools (Jerry and his cronies).
I’m willing to give them another chance as soon as they fire him. I’m pretty sure that’s gonna happen too, at least one company has pulled their ads, and I’m sure there’s more.
http://gunscoffee.blogspot.com/2012/09/silencerco-pulls-all-ads-from-recoil.html
There is quite a few pulling ads. To name a few: Magpul, Haley Strategic, Panteo Productions, Silencerco Bravo Company, ITS Tactical is selling out the remaining magazines they have in stock, but sending a letter along with each one and will not be stocking them in the future.
Yup. Just posted something along those lines… just running behind thanks to the Mobilization…
errr….Last time I checked, whenever HK sells a civilian version of one of their weapons, it’s in an exclusively semi-auto format (see the SL-8 and the UMP carbine). Is Jerry really that uneducated as to our nation’s gun laws? Only Brady campaigners seem to have the weird idea that us normal civilians can just walk into a gun store and walk out with an NFA weapon, no questions asked or paperwork filed. Also, I’d be pretty willing to bet that there are *plenty* of cartridges out there that are capable of penetrating soviet-era and style body armor. In fact, wasn’t one of the original goals of the steel-cored, 62-grain 5.56 load the penetration of that very armor? Since I have a couple thousand rounds of it, I’d say that there’s no point trying to keep an even more anemic cartridge out of the hands of the public.
That said, I would be absolutely unwilling to purchase a unique, underpowered, and no-doubt highly expensive caliber, just to feed a weapon that HK would overcharge massively for.
what a fucking dumbass. recoil magazine is so full of shit!
Big mistake on their part. I would still give them a chance because I only look at the pictures
but no one near me carries this magazine anyways.
Getting a kick out of all the ignorant HK haters, learn something about German export laws and American import laws before you say stupid shit.
Take a couple deep breaths. Not all of us care about the Teutonic Superiority of HK, and are perfectly happy owning other, more affordable brands.
Has nothing to do with that, I just have a problem with perpetuating the notion that some how HK doesn’t want to sell to civilians, kind of like all the Glock haters still saying they blow up and such.
If HK wanted to sell to civs then they would build a manufacturing plant in the US, like Glock did, therefore avoiding the who import/export bullshit.
http://www.hk-usa.com/military_products/mil_newsroom_01152009.asp
Your right dude they should do that. Weird how so many of there guns are stamped with Columbus GA.
Which is more of an indictment of H&K in my eyes (as a former H&K fan) than if they didn’t. They can; they just don’t want to. They do not share my views on free markets, self defense, or firearms, und sind Etatisten, mit Scheiße fur Kundendienst.
No, man…go look at their booth videos from Shot show. They really do disdain the civillian market. It’s not their gun sales policies that make the difference, it’s their attitude in dealing w/ the civillian market.
I’m guessing you own something HK?
They make top-notch stuff. Their attitude is what sucks, not their guns.
I have often wondered if a lot of HK’s “problem” with the civilian market isn’t due to political pressure in Germany since they seem to mostly try for government contracts. But as far as import/export laws there’s an easy way around that: build manufacturing facilities stateside like FN, Beretta, and Walther (sort of) through Smith and Wesson. Anything you couldn’t export or import can just be built here.
Everyone seems to forget that beretta & FN had huge U.S. Military contracts and the only way they were able to get those contracts was to build the weapons here in the U.S. HK doesn’t have contracts with the U.S. anywhere near the size of FN(M16, M249, M240) or Beretta(M9, M4 shotgun, yes I know that’s technically Benelli but since Beretta is the parent company…) Or the law enforcement side of things that Glock has.
I know the facilities are here because the .gov contracts require it. Actually the FN comparison is interesting because I recall an FN spokesman being asked why they don’t sell ARs to the public. He responded that it had to do with the government contract but that as soon as that was over they’d be entering the civilian AR market.
Nice Kel Tec RFB.
Personally, I almost always choose the side of freedom. I think we should all get full auto glock machine pistols with extended clips, barrel shrouds, and shoulder things that go up if we so choose. I think this will only hurt Recoil and H&K.
Lucky for me this gun looks like some silly space ninja weapon and I’m not at all interested in ever buying their overpriced products. Is there a lead shortage I don’t know about? What ever happened to stopping power?
It’s going around pretty nicely. Suspect Recoil is going to be at slide lock (done for) soon.
This is what I left on their facebook page:
Hi Jerry and the RECOIL team,
So I have a big problem with the latest issue of RECOIL, and it’s probably the same one everyone else has, I don’t like being treated like a criminal just because I don’t have bars on my sleeve or a shiny badge. While I respect the service and abilities of the people who go to work every day to protect us, they are not infallible, they aren’t more responsible with deadly force than I am, and heck, I can out shoot a good amount of them (if I were ever in a situation with an armed gunman you can bet that I could remember the 4 rules and 9 civilians wouldn’t be injured taking down 1 gunman). It’s not so much the fact that RECOIL has put these people on a pedestal, because I believe they deserve our praise, but to say that the entire civilian population is petty, stupid, and irresponsible enough to be swayed to a life of crime and irresponsibility simply by the weapon placed in their hand is an insult to myself, the customers who buy RECOIL, and every single law-abiding citizen in the world who responsibly owns, or desires to own, firearms.
I was extremely excited to see a new magazine on the market that featured excellent photography, writing, and graphic design but I now see I was wrong to be. The MP7 article treated me like a criminal, like scum, saying that I wasn’t worthy or responsible enough to own certain equipment. Who are you to tell us how responsible we are with our lives and weapons? Who are you that you are responsible enough to shoot it and I’m not? The rhetoric reminds me more of the Democratic stance on firearms or the Brady Campaign more than a pro-gun magazine. It’s obvious that you don’t understand the mindset and promise to society that every law-abiding gun owner, CPL holder, and patriot has made.
To sum it all up since you may not read my entire post:
LEOs and Military deserve our praise, but they are not above mistakes or corruption, and just because they have a badge or stripes doesn’t make them more responsible, or a better shot than me. You have insulted your entire consumer base with a completely ignorant statement claiming that they are no better than the scumbag rapist, drug dealer, or burglar that they are trying to defend themselves, their family, and society from.
I believe in giving second chances, but believe me, I’m extremely disappointed by what I read, and if your magazine doesn’t make a complete, honest, and visible 180 degree turn from it’s Brady Campaign like views on the population, then you can throw my subscription out the window.
probably just an article to see if they could get more traffic. it seems to have worked.
the gun in question? meh.
All these magic high velocity PDWs are severely overrated. They make it sound like it can go through steel plates when all it can do is punch through soft armor. 9mm +P+ does the job just as well as 5.7 or 4.6, AND its readily available, since the Brady or media don’t really know about it.
Moreover, FN was able to produce a sporting 5.7 round so why is it so hard for the smaller 4.6?
Criminals can’t afford the tens of thousands of dollars to buy a non-transferrable full auto MP7 and would produce just as much of a threat as a glock with 33 round magazine loaded.
A civie MP7 would also probably cost $1.5-2k. What kind of bad guy would spend the money for that!?!?! They’d probably buy a masterpiece arms before buying a MP7
I feel like the real reason (civie hate aside) is that HK isn’t marketing the civie MP7 is that from past exp with the SL8, they don’t want to enter the rifle market again or produce a $1.5-2k rifle that won’t sell like hotcakes, as their USPs/HK45s are.
Suck a dick jerry “In the wrong hands, that’s a bad day for the good guys.” applies to ANYTHING.
commence failure of recoil magazine #6 in 3 2 1,
Mark that down as yet another magazine I will not waste my money on.
Gotta love that Jerry not only Zumbo’d himself, he refuses to even acknowledge he did so, instead backpeddling and claiming what you read was not actually what they wrote. Classic, “Who do you believe, me or your lying eyes?” backhanded insult of his readership, and I hope they take that mentality to heart.
I can understand the idea that HK can sell to whoever they want. But then he talks about good guys and bad guy and protecting those in uniform. Isn’t the implication there that LEOs and military are good guys and the rest of us are bad guys? Not that it matters much. Like everyone’s mentioned those kind of rounds aren’t that great unless armor penetration is your only goal and since they’re new we couldn’t have full autos anyway.
*shrug*
LOL is all I have to say. Dunno why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch, this is nothing new. Ignorance in the media? Say it ain’t so!
Don’t buy the magazine. Don’t talk about the magazine. Watch what happens. It will go away.
Hypocritical of me to reply to this, so I won’t again. I’m just sayin’
Fudge ‘em. Recoil is the GQ of gun magazines. Pretty pictures, glossy pages, and no useful info for day to day shooters. I could care less that H&K wont sell the MP7 to civilians. It’s a g-d damn gas opperated 17 HMR. Whoopdy friggin do. There is no way in hell that the MP7 is any more dangerous than any other semi auto rifle out there that hasn’t been featured on Future Weapons. If I was going to drop $2500+ on a carbine that could fit in a briefcase, I’d invest in a tax stamp and an SBR.
And if any HK fanboys think that I am a hater, I’ll tell you I believe they earned their reputation. I own a P30L. I wanted an HK, and liked the grip on it better than the USP. Holly shit! It has the worst double action trigger pull that I have ever felt. The single action trigger reset lenght is a mile long, making follow up shots slow. And for a $1000 gun, the “night sights” it comes with are Bakelite and glow in the dark paint. Don’t tell me tritium is banned in Europe. Glock installs Trijicons state side before shipping guns out the door, for a grand, HK can to.
One thing you have to know about Germans when it comes to engineering/design, They engineer/design for specific purposes/functions If said design happens to adapt to another purpose so be it. Which is the case with the P30/P30L a weapon designed for combat use not target/match use, that being said it will almost definitely run circles around a similarly priced 1911 in regards to reliability.
Also I have to ask with all the things you griped about regarding the trigger & sights, Why did you buy it then??
Wait… where are all the people that would compare the 4.6mm to a .22lr? How can we have a small caliber PDW discussion without that obligitory comparison?
Apparently, it is good enough for Woody Harrelson to use in Zombieland, but not for us. RECOIL magazine can kiss my money goodbye.
Yeah, when I watched that, he yelled out “I LOVE rednecks!!!” My first thought was: rednecks have MP7s!?!?!?
The first time I thumbed through RECOIL I decided it was not the mag for me. It looked like it was designed by 19 year olds between marathon sessions of Call of Duty. Lots of big shiny pics of tacticool hardware with trucks and knives thrown in for good measure, and 100% style over substance. This not so little faux pas cements my belief that the magazine is trying to cash in on a growing market and has no actual ties to the gun community. I suggest letting this magazine starve to death since they are more than comfortable with spouting anti gun rhetoric and then attempting to back it up with lame watered down manufacturer quotes. Good riddance recoil. You’ve wasted enough paper.
It comes with semi-automatic and full-auto firing modes only.
what other ones is it missing? i dont get this
HK makes a lot of 2 and 3 round burst options as well.
ah, guess i am not operator enough to know that
He might have been hinting that it doesn’t have a safe mode? I can’t imagine that’s true. If it is, it’s almost the perfect carry gun for Yeager assuming that he can get Glock to make a version of it.
in monster truck announcer voice:
‘this guns so dangerous, there wasn’t any point in even putting a safety on it.’
I find it hard to believe they even had advertisers in the first place, when companies instead could just advertise online for less money. Who even buys magazines anymore anyway, considering they are expensive and the info is all free on the net. Hopefully all those companies that were paying too much money will go poof after this.
I marketed for a company that advertised in magazines. Any time our ad hit the shelves our sales went up by ~$10,000 that week. The internet is taking over but print isn’t completely dead yet.
“I accepted their answer for what it was out of respect for those serving in uniform. I believe that we as gun enthusiasts should respect our brothers in law enforcement, agency work and the military and also keep them out of harms way. Like HK, I wouldn’t want to see one of these slip into the wrong hands either.”
Let me get this straight: Because you respect the military, you’re willing to limit access for law-abiding Americans? If I want to purchase this weapon, am I disrespecting the military/police? This is the most pathetic reason for not allowing ownership of the MP7. Tsai’s military and police fetishism just increased 10-fold.
10 minutes ago the editor put up another apology. This one is more like a redaction. Who knows if it is sincere.
This gun is so dangerous we can’t let it in civilian hands sounds very appealing to military and police, just a HK sales gimmick.
It can peirce armor? That makes it an abominable uber-magical demon gun!!! …which is why only government (in their infinite wisdom, praise them) are allowed to have them. Pay your taxes peasants!
(In high-brow British accent “Seize him! The peasant has a firearm! Seize him!
I read a couple of issues of RECOIL, and had thought them pretty good. Not any more. I should be able to walk into any hardware store and buy any damn gun I want, and the only paperwork should be the check I write. NICS? Okay, make sure I have no criminal record, but that is IT. No recording of the sales details, nothing. Make sure I’m clean, we’re done.
indeed, I personally believe in amending the 2nd Amendment just to say “The right to bear arms shall not be infringed, except for nukes, everything else is kosher though!”. Besides, increased weapon sales to the public would help the economy and security! Our founders believed in a well armed republic and we should too.
HK can sell their guns to whoever they want. If they don’t want our money, good for them.
I have two of their mags and was having the wife buy and mail me the latest one.
Not anymore. He clearly stated his feelings, and I’ll clearly state mine by not buying anymore, and telling others about it.
Really stepped on his dick on that one.
http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2012/09/recoil-ing-in-shrieking-terror.html
Like I said, the Zumbo effect is getting legs.
AL T, your link….See if you can tell me the unreal number of lies/mis-statements/Fictional “Facts” in it? The person clearly knows nothing of the NFA either. Recoil pissed me off too, but the truth is there is a ton of “gun fact” garbage going on. 99% of the time it seems like people don’t have a clue what they are talking about. There is a number of those “facts” related to written law in just the commentary above and below…that some of these people are dead wrong about. Hell, you can look it up, just google the laws eluded to in reference, they are available for us to read and review for a reason. You don’t have to agree with them, but at least know what they actually say when you chose to discuss them. It does not mean everyone is dumb about this stuff. People have the right idea of what to be mad about. I think the mis-info has a lot to do with how much crap is snowballing from the media.
I really wish everyone would stop posting garbage and start reading more! Become a freaking hobby gun lawyer, its better to know ALL the laws, then just read some post online that may not be true at all. If we ALL read the current laws, Federal and State, we could call BS on the new ones and Congress. It is also highly significant to be paying attention every day to new proposed laws. States and Congress post everything coming up, look for it! If everyone wants to care about this stuff and fight for it, then do it right! -End rant, none of it directed at you personally. Your link just pissed me off more.
I’m not following you. Tamara (lady who owns the blog) is very up on NFA and I’m sort of up on it myself. The readers and posters on her blog (and Mikes) are separate from the folks who own the blog. We (mostly) get that the ’86 GOPA closed the registry (thank you NRA, Bush I and Bob Dole) and that MP7s are never going to be mainstream.
The rest of your post confuses me. I post on THR.org if you’d like to open a dialogue. I’m always ready to learn.
So it’s 1000am EST, September 10, 2012 – about 0600am PST.
I give about 4 more hours for Jerry “Mall Ninja” Tsai to be fired, ’cause that’s the only way that Recoil Magazine will survive with real gunowners and supporters of the 2nd Amendment and the Bill of Rights. In other words: Real Shooters.
Now as far as the COD Asian fanboys, I foresee that their gun-equivalent of Sky Mall Magainze (read: Recoil Magazine) will not suffer any revenue losses from that niche.
Either the editor, or the magazine, needs to go away. I have purchased every issue of RECOIL up to now, but that will end.
It appears the actual purpose of this magazine wasn’t completely thought through. Buying into HK’s position on US sales isn’t the way to get a new publication off the ground, as these people are discovering.
Too bad, the magazine was not bad overall.
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Obviously, Jerry shares the belief of the Brady campaign and the anti-gun Mayor group who lays the responsibility of gun crime on the guns…..not the bad guy. How did he get this job?
So…..I guess this means that Jerry also condemns the .50BMG, and any other of the dozens of citizen-consumer-available readily rounds that have the ability to penetrate body armor.
With gun “advocates” like Jerry doing the editing, we do not need his magazine. He’s a pawn for Schumer, Feinstein and the others.
As a law abiding CHL holder why am I a bad guy, and the mythical LEO and Operator held in such high regard I see LEO’s acting like gun thugs all the time yet they are so awesome they are entitled to the latest military weapons where we are civilians are not? When I call 911 you better believe I will be defending myself, and showing the cops the bodies when they get there in their sweet time! As for the actual military operators most of them carry the M4 I have in my safe so I guess I need to give that up as well cause it might make me go mad? Glad I did not spend one cent of my hard earned money on your gun porn mag!
Bad day for the good guys, eh! Tell that to the dead Marine in PIMA county, he was shot over 60 times by those “good guys” all this because the idots in the sheriffs dept can’t read and served a warrant on the wrong address. Your naive to have any faith in modern law enforcement. Police and such ARE the biggest gangs in the US, they commit crimes and the judical system lets them get away with murder. the real murder of US citizens. I hate badge heavy cops and I’m glad those little thugs have learned to go for the head.
If I recall the incident you speak of, video shows that the SWAT cops acted tactically stupid as well. There were like 3 or 4 all shooting too close to each other, and then one derp runs in between them all to fire his pistol!
I’ll spend my money elsewhere from now on. Thanks RECOIL mag for making my decision so easy.
All I see is angry range queens and mall ninjas!
I rarely buy gun magazines. But if I am going too, I expect the writers to be on side of civilian gun ownership. What is the magazine’s market? Civilian gun owners? Saying that your market consists of scum balls and rapists is stupid.
I may be a mall ninja or range queen — but I am still a civilian gun owner. I’m a responsible, law abiding citizen that believes you have a right to own firearms without interference by the government. But insulting the people that have your views is not the way to get their respect.
Oops. I will sit in my corner quietly and see how this goes….
Isn’t it odd that the editor of a “gun lifestyle” magazine uses the same arguements that Chuckie Schumer and the rest of the gun-banners use? “No sporting purpose”… “intended only for killing”… “protect our policemen”…
Almost like he’s reading it off of a press release from HCI, no?
As far as H&K goes, if they don’t want my money they don’t need to have it. There’s a half-dozen polymer frame handguns at least as good as H&K, there’s a bunch of piston AR’s on the market, and if I want one I can buy a HK91 from an American company- and no matter who I buy from I’ll get good customer service.
This is more drama than gays at Chick Fil A!
“Dipped in angel tears”…nice, Mr. Noir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN13hztg2UU
dont want it anyway, hk crap.
RECOIL HAS LOST MY BUSINESS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.geocities.ws/chandler_chan/fn_p90_2.jpg
That’s all I have to say.
This is the problem when some people think that some guns are not for some people. Whatever criminals or police can get their hands on we civilians should have the availability to have them as well. “The right to bear arms shall not be Infringed” – got that Jerry! That sporting use non sense crap in BATFE world should be eliminated as well.
I will not support companies that think that their guns cannot be sold to me or my fellow Americans because it has no sporting purposes. I will only accept that they cannot sell some weapon to me because it is not legal.
I will also not spend cash or support magazines/publications that have it’s editor believe that some guns are too dangerous for me to have. It’s the same shit that they say about the FN five-seven and P90 before. Now that it is offered to civies, is it still dangerous? 5.7×28 and 4.6x30mm are practically similar ammo Jerry. Do you feel the same way with FNH P90? That it is dangerous for civialians to have it in their gun arsenal?
Jerry’s comments were ignorant at best. One would think that someone who is the “Chief Editor” of a Gun Mag would have a little foresight to see how the comment he made would offend an overwhelming majority of its readers and gun enthusiasts alike. His follow on “Clarifying Statements” only served to tarnish Recoils reputation further and made Jerry look even worse. The only thing Recoil cani do to start even remotely salvage the situation is terminate Jerry immediately and anyone else who shares his misguided feelings on private gun ownership.
Since the very first issue I’ve seen Recoil as a sort of GQ for metrosexual gun enthusiasts. It is in many ways something new, in regard to publication, but caters to the novice and middle ground. I don’t mean all of this in a bad way, but people like Tsai appear to be akin to the airsoft crowd that learned on a toy first and a real firearm second. That isn’t to say this isn’t an effective way to learn, in fact airsofters tend to have decent adrenaline control when they compete in real three-gun, but it does come with a clusterfuck of incorrect and naive notions about real firearms and firearm laws. I don’t disagree with anyone saying he ought to step down or be forced out. But I’m not surprised the sporting vs non-sporting argument was printed in Recoil. The overall magazine’s understanding of real USA firearm culture is still infantile.
I have shot the MK-5 with the guys in the Lancaster Police department and I disagree. It is a Great Hunting Weapon when you have very fast Deer.
But all kidding aside, I would like to own this MP7 as it would be great Home Protection against those bad guys who decide to break-in to your home
HEY GUYS LETS’ STOPP BUYING FROM H&K… Because they are obviously sold we are not trust worthy. A THIEF WILL TAKE AN MP7; NOT JUTS A CIVILIAN – SO ARE YOU CALLING US THIEVES TOO… AND THAT BRAINWASH ABOUT OUR BROTHERS BEING IN THE MILITARY???…. PLEASE SOO MUCH OF MY FAMILY IS IN THE MILITARY- RETIRED SRGT. MAJOR, ETC… BROTHER MARINE RESERVE AND I’LL BE LIKE HIM BUT AS A SEAL. TRUST ME – NO WE DO NOT GO TO WAR FOR OUR DAMN BROTHERS AND SISTERS!! HELLO WE DO THIS FOR OUURRRSELVESSS!!!
OHH YEA… AND R..E.C.O.I.L. Sucks Dick.
“This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of.”
The right to bear arms was not founded upon the basis of sporting applications. If I were to buy this weapon, chances are it would only get fired out in the desert or at a range.
Proponents of firearms need to stop hiding behind the weak facade of sports shooting or hunting. If we do, we will end up with only bolt action rifles and shotguns.
This whole Recoil thing has been blown WAY out of proportion. Tsai may have rubbed some people the wrong way who believe its their right to own EVERY form of a firearm available. I am strong believer in the second amendment, I served my country in the US Army Infantry, and I’m a drug cop now, and I don’t think that a submachine gun is something civilians need or have a right to have access to. My agency seizes thousands of stolen guns a year from drug dealers, gangsters and robbers…guns stolen from people like YOU. Do I want to face an MP7 as I’m raiding the next crack house? No thank you. I agree, in a perfect world, we should all be able to own whatever we want, but the world isn’t ready for that, obviously. Don’t be mad at HK or weapons for LE only…thank the wackos slaughtering 30 people at a time
I guess it’s obvious what your stance on 30 round magazines, handguns, AR-15 etc… for non law-enforcement use is.
The 2nd amendment is not only for sporting applications. It is designed so people can resist a tyrannical govt like YOU. Shall not be infringed means shall not be controlled. We the People could give our opinion. You and me brother have 1st amendment rights! If we disagree with Recoil’s Tsai then so be it. If it cost him his job then it’s because of his stupidity in this HK MP7 is too dangerous for you crap and only LE should get it’s hand on it. Overblown i don’t think so. This is fundamental rights of being an American. This right is being awarded to you once you become a military or LE. This right belongs to all resident or Citizen of your state.
I mean not awarded when you become military or LE.
Im a german solider who already had the opportunity to shoot with the mp7. It’s not used in our regular troops, it’s used for crewman, medics and many other non-combat units. First of all we have been sceptical about this weapon because it looks and feels like a toy (softair) gun.
But when we shot our first rounds all those sceptics have been away. -Less recoil(even on auto fire). Big mags(up to 40 rounds) and with optics it’s the most deadly accurate machinepistol on the modern market. For me there’s nö need to sell it to civilians. This weapon is made for indoor fighting. And soldiers who can’t have big weapons withthemselves like tank or q
Apc crewman. This weapon was invented because of asymmetrical warfare. Q tank crew could get in an ambush while the tank is down, has to reload, refill fuel. Modern warscience found out that most of the fights between infantry takes place between 50-400 metres so the bundeswehr needed a weapon the crewman etc. Can easily wear with them and effective fight against light armored targets. Since (mostly it are US companies) sell body armor even to terrorists.
I read texas12 post and can agree. The mp7 is a weapon you surely don’t want to face. It’s so small it might be hard to see if hided in the jacket. And it’s very deadly and accurate even on 250m!! You easily can shoot around corners with 1 hand on auto fire together with the caliber it’s pure deadly for police units. I think because of that they don’t want to have it on the civilian market.
Omg!
Do you have any gun or caliber that you want to face?
Accurate to 250m??? With a shooter that is not accurate? So the gun shoot by itself?
You can shoot by one hand? There’s a lot of weapon that i can shoot by 1 hand. My pistol for example.
Is there any caliber not deadly for police?
There’s nothing special with this HK. It’s not much accurate or deadly than other rifles that we americans already have. To say that it is not for civilians, is the same thing that people says AR-15 is not for civilians. You just basically don’t understand the US 2nd Amendment Rights.
I don’t have to since I life in germany. Of course you can shoot your pistol one handed. But a full-auto one with higher caliber? I already shot with many weapons since my entrance to the bundeswehr. I did not say that it’s q laser gun or something, I just said that it’s an impressive weapon with much firepower at a high rate of accuracy which if not seen before on Mp’s.
Selling it as half-auto weapon for civilians should not be the problem. The mp7 is really brutal but only with auto fire.
But recoil and Jerry is here in the US and the article is for the american public and targetted for the shooting audience. If he just said that it is not for civilian because it is fully automatic and do not have semi-auto version then its end of discussion.
Just wanted to clear out that it is a crappy weapon. Many special forces use this weapon now. Of course mostly police ones like in germany the gsg-9. I mean you guys are right. Why rifles with a higher caliber are allowed to be sold and such a weapon not? There’s no good reason why. In germany I understand it(you can only have pistols, but with many many many rules). Selling a weapon like this (military/tactical aspect) would give the advantage of firepower away. It’s not only.the body armor, you can shoot through thicker walls for example. Ok but that’s off topic again. But maybe it even is a tactical aspecby the bundeswehr. Because if you sell your weapons in another country like the USA the chance is much higher to loose weapons to the enemy which however could use it against you.
That it’s not a crappy weapon