A Gripe About Guns And Video Games

The gun store guys have another gripe:

9:15 – “The fellow that shot up the Colorado theater was probably a gamer, and he was obsessed with it and he…” -Barry <-- :roll: sounds like something the antis would say. I should pitch an idea to Discovery channel where I go on a country wide ENDO tour, and just troll people in the firearms industry.  These guys, Yeager, Vigilant Spectre… it would be great.

Thoughts?  Any of you guys work in a gun store and want to beat your head against a wall every time someone asks to see a “Deagle” or an “Assault Rifle”?

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Chad October 7, 2012 at 12:57 am

It’s not just Deagle. It’s the other names thanks to the video game kids. I play CoD too, but I swear to God the next time I hear someone call the model 1887 shotgun just “the model” I’m going to punch him. A customer of mine refers to the SKS as the “SK” – like AK. Makes you want to jab a Yugo bayonet in your eye.

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nikonmikon October 7, 2012 at 01:05 am
dave w October 7, 2012 at 10:45 am

good grief
/charlie brown

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nikonmikon October 7, 2012 at 10:47 am

The AK go CHOP CHOP CHOP

The SK go FWOP FWOP FWOP

Something is severely wrong with Trick Daddy’s SKS if it goes fwop.

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ENDO-Mike October 9, 2012 at 12:20 am

haha amazing

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Hard_Harry October 7, 2012 at 07:15 am

Yeah the Deagle shit drove me up a wall when I worked a counter. That and all gamer dickheads wanting to “Dual Wield” everything they laid their hands on.
One other thing that used to drive me nuts was what I called the white trash trifecta in my area (Northern Nevada) which was Taurus semi-auto, SKS(any make), and a Hi-Point carbine.

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2Wheels October 7, 2012 at 07:34 am

I realized we were in trouble when a couple kids called an SBR AR a “commando”…

The same way my father (career army) can’t watch any military related movie without picking apart their uniforms and the way the act… I can’t watch a movie with guns or play a game with guns without going insane at the innacurate way they portray them.

I was trying out a shooter game last night, where I noticed that I couldn’t be dropping the magazines on my AR style rifle because my trigger finger was on the trigger (not hitting the mag release) and my support hand was inserting empty mags.

And the DA/SA M9 style pistol I had, always had the hammer down. Drove me batty!

I know I know it’s just a game… But I wish these developers would at least try…

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HSR47 October 7, 2012 at 07:57 am

Some games seem to get that sort of thing right, while others get it horribly wrong.

Personally, I’ve spent a fair amount of time playing the Battlefield franchise, and Bad Company 2 was really bad in this regard, and there were some guns I just couldn’t use because of it. Battlefield 3 has been much better in this regard though.

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nikonmikon October 7, 2012 at 08:27 am

Yeah Battlefield 3 is by far the most accurate main-stream game I’ve played. You can +1 all your weapons that are closed-bolt and you can’t on open-bolt machine guns. I think that’s pretty good attention to detail. The fact that you can even do this is amazing. Also, all weapons have the appropriate fire-select modes. There are still a few inconsistencies but they are few and far between.

I think the ARMA series probably takes the cake on attention to detail though.

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HSR47 October 7, 2012 at 02:36 pm

Yes, but if it’s the program I think it is, it isn’t what I would really classify as a game….

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nikonmikon October 7, 2012 at 03:30 pm

ARMA is a game

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PJ October 7, 2012 at 09:22 am

The Commando name for an SPR AR is kinda excusable:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Commando

Video games are starting to get better, but I think the damage is largely. All in all I don’t think that video games getting people into guns is bad thing. The more the merrier. It would just better if they didn’t get ALL their gun info from poorly researched media, be it video games, movies, or tv.

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2Wheels October 7, 2012 at 11:58 am

I’m more nitpicking than anything else, I realize that people like us are a small minority of video game players. Not only do we pay attention to the tiny details, but we know when something is incorrect. I don’t expect game developers to spend countless hours and dollars programming every single tiny detail of every single firearm they include, but it is nice when they obviously did the research to get the small stuff right, especially when it’s a game that revolves around guns!

What bothers me, is when kids assume that what they learn from video games or TV is fact and then they go on to argue with me over whatever they “learned” from COD or BF3.

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Phoenix October 7, 2012 at 11:49 am

wow.

as a video gamer and 18-24 y/o male i can say that without video games id not be here (ENDO), not be involved in the industry, and not have met some of my closest friends. sure there are some who simply arent educated enough. if they dont want to change or dont want to learn the proper name for the firearm then so be it, but there are some out there who simply dont know any better.

these guys just like to have fun, however sometimes i dont agree with what they say. they are educated in what they do, but dont put them in the same tier as tsai, yeager, or any of the others.

believe me, i have my own things to quell. “dont silencers hurt accuracy and slow the bullet down?” “why isnt your AR15 completely silent with that can on it?” “you cant put a red dot and silencer on the gun, COD wont let you unless you have this perk on it.”

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HSR47 October 7, 2012 at 02:14 pm

““dont silencers hurt accuracy and slow the bullet down?” ”

Well, actually…

Cans often DO cause a shift in the point of impact. With sealed and/or monocore cans it should be highly repeatable, but I can see it varying a bit with the takedown cans that use a stack of individual baffles.

As for slower bullets, there are a lot of cases where people use subsonic ammo through their cans to get even quieter, or because they want to use a pistol can on a rifle.

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Phoenix October 7, 2012 at 04:36 pm

right but due to the phenomenon known as freebore boost, it can actually speed up the bullet.

im not talking about POI shift, im talking about turning a 1 moa gun into a 3moa gun just buy screwing on the can.

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Phoenix October 7, 2012 at 11:51 am

also, i DONT think video games lead to violence. sure there may be an overlap at some point of video games to violent crimes, but i think thats more coincidence than anything. lots of other problems to blame before video games (society, parenting, big bird).

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HSR47 October 7, 2012 at 02:25 pm

Honestly, the first few minutes weren’t bad, but towards the end they started getting more than a little Fuddish.

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Rob C. October 7, 2012 at 04:01 pm

Honestly, the gun innacuracies in video games don’t bother me all that much. Most games aren’t trying to be 100% realistic; they are trying to create something fun and balanced. It’s a game, not a military simulation or documentary (unless maybe you’re talking about ARMA). Modern military games probably have a better track record than Hollywood when it comes to guns. And when games involve alien invasions, WWIII, cyborgs, heartbeat sensors, and similar, it seems kind of silly to complain about gun nomenclature, recoil, deadliness, etc.

What bothers me, is the gun related “documentaries” that show on History, Discovery, Military channels. These spread all kinds of lies, myths, generalizations and stereotypes. Unlike most movies or video games, however, these are presented as factual, and most viewers take the information at face value.

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Arm3nian October 7, 2012 at 04:23 pm

Honestly, whatever helps to get youth into the gun ownership and excersising the 2nd amendment I am a very big fan of. I have been a pc gamer since 1993, what got me into weapons was Top Shot. Say what you will, but it did same thing for my wife, and she was very anti-gun. Now we shoot together and love it, we both carry.
That said, I constantly correct people I play with in regards to weapons they use in the Batlefield 3 or certain things that are off in game, like adding a foregrip to certain weapons, lowers the accuracy…. ok….
or weapons wearing the 100 rounds beta mags only sporting 51 rounds…
But, hey Hollywood has been truening 6 shot revolvers into 15 round semi autos for years, why would video games be any different?

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cc19 October 8, 2012 at 12:03 pm

Agreed.

How many 44 Magnums were sold after Dirty Harry?

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Chad October 7, 2012 at 04:47 pm

Another game gripe: in CoD adding an ACOG increases the weapon’s [effective] range, but DECREASES accuracy. WTF.

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dave w October 7, 2012 at 05:40 pm

Some games should be treated as just games, kinda the same as tv and movies shouldn’t be taken seriously. I remember the spas12 in gta killed in 1 shot whereas the police shotgun took 2 shots.

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G October 7, 2012 at 06:03 pm

The most often term I have been hearing lately that drives me nuts are customers asking for “911’s”. It happens all the time along with “assault rifle”. Not so much Deagle anymore. I will say that kids coming in the store know a lot more than some of their parents and it is due to video games. All in all I have noticed a increase in game companies trying to get gun names/accesories right. I love seeing kids getting excited about firearms and wanting to learn. They are the future of our gun rights and our industry. I always hated the way people behind the counter treated me when I was a kid and know that I’m the one behind the counter its neat seeing kids that know the difference between an M4 and a SCAR and are explaining them in detail to their parents. Overall I believe video games to have a positive effect on our industry if the developers continue to attempt a facsimile of accuracy with weapons and conitinue to seek out those in the industry to team up with (MOH Warfighter)

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Church October 7, 2012 at 07:00 pm

I would watch your show Mike!! And fuck these guys.

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dave w October 7, 2012 at 09:01 pm

As soon as guns in video games get realistic enough there wont be any need for real ones so we can easily ban them all
/libtard

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extreme0327 October 7, 2012 at 11:14 pm

The game inaccuracy I hate the most is ammo pool reloading. When you reload, all of your ammo goes into a magical pool and fully reloads your magazines each time you reload. I know its easier to program, but it takes all though out of reloading. What happened to the Rainbow Six reloading style?

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nikonmikon October 7, 2012 at 11:17 pm

Oh yeah that does suck BUT think about it, you’d run out so quick and the game would be very hard to play. Not very conducive to enjoyable gameplay I’d say.

I seem to recall Battlefield 2 doing it the right way though… not sure. Rainbow Six did though for sure.

It’s not easier to program per se, they just do it because it makes gameplay more enjoyable I think.

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Burp October 8, 2012 at 12:16 am

What, you mean Angry Birds doesn’t teach accurate slingshot ballistics?! Oh noez….!!! :o

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denver chris October 8, 2012 at 02:49 am

I worked at a gun shop just a few blocks from where the Aurora shooting happened for two years.ot the type of person to go out of my way to correct people for saying clips, assault rides, ect., blatantly. However, if someone asked to see a clip, I’d bring them a magazine and say “here’s the glock magazine you were looking for,” as opposed to something like “did you mean a glock magazine rather than clip?” It did and still does piss me off to no end all the gamer types that acted like they knew what was up from CoD or whatever, but if I actually corrected every person in the manner of my second example, I’d never get any work done due to the volume of ignorant customers.

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cc19 October 8, 2012 at 03:08 am

Interestingly enough, I’ve been asked by some shop workings if I played anything at all. Generally it’s the younger crowd behind the counter, but no surprise there. Know another shop that is a lot more familiar with the hobby as it’s a common thing the owner’s family partakes in.

As for the misinformation though, let’s not forget that movies were spreading it long before games. Glocks being x-ray proof? Mowing down a dozen guys with hip fire? Dry wall providing solid cover? Or my favorite, adding a bolt working sound effect every time a gun shows up on screen. The list goes on.

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AK™ October 8, 2012 at 09:07 am

“Probably a gamer”

I’ve been firing guns for years,before I got my Nintendo Entertainment System® and all the way up to my Xbox 360®

What gets me is all the people (even these old fools) who want to assign blame to an inanimate object. The game or the gun..doesn’t kill people. The gun makes it EASIER to kill a person..but the gun didn’t plan it out,the person did.

But they’re old guys..they’re probably getting senile,so in fairness to the “gamers”..we should take away their guns and switch them to Ensure®

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Saxon October 9, 2012 at 01:14 am

Games serve a legitimate purpose of entertainment, but also can be used as an effective tool for combat conditioning the mind (according to some studies) Which in my book is a good thing for the troops, law enforcement, and security-minded law abiding citizens.

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el bombardero October 9, 2012 at 04:46 pm

I will never understand what would make someone want to watch these stupid gun gripe videos. I’m glad you do it, so I don’t have to.

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Nyanman October 12, 2012 at 09:49 pm

Unless I am sorely mistaken, every credible scientific study about violence from videogames has said that there is no link between violence in real life and video game violence?
probably most people are smart enough to know that a shooting rampage is cool in Call of The Battlefield 12 or whatever, but is kinda really illegal in real life.

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