Holy Operators – VICE on Guns In Church

VICE goes to an armed baptist church in Albuquerque, New Mexico:

That clip was from Episode #3 of the VICE HBO series, which seems to be quite good.

Really sad that people can’t even go to church without fear of getting killed;  I suppose that’s the world we live in though.  It’s a fact that “gun free zones” are the most un-safe… so I’m definitely all for what these guys are doing.

2:40 – Unloaded backup gun in pocket carry.  I thought this was a baptist church, not a synagogue?  Israeli carry joke that may have went over some of your heads LOL. I wonder if that Glock is unloaded too?

3:08 – “Need any help bro?  You sure?” – haha these guys don’t play

VICE-LogoI was hoping to be able to make fun of some more stuff in the video… oh well you win some you lose some.

Thoughts?  Probably a stupid question, but are you for or against church carry?

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jerry May 3, 2013 at 05:29 am

FOR church carry for those with C&C training/license. I can only see churches (& other houses of worship) only becoming MORE attractive as targets as our society becomes more radicalized against religion (specifically, Christianity). Ask the Jews what it is like to be unarmed in a society antagonistically inclined against you. It seems to be the direction the radical left is heading, though I really hope I am wrong.

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Jim May 3, 2013 at 07:07 am

Jerry,

To add to the stupidity, most synagogues in the Milwaukee area (and I suspect most placed around the country) prohibit the carry of weapons by their members, even after the Oak Creek Temple incident. The JPFO wrote a pretty stern letter against this insanity in our local Jewish newspaper. Didn’t help. American Jews are pretty hoplophobic in general (see Bloomberg, Feinstein, Schumer et al.). Thank god the JPFO is also based out of Wisconsin.

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Regulus May 3, 2013 at 06:00 am

that preacher in the episode reminds me of a character off a Quentin Tarantino movie. haha

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StarvinPilgrim May 3, 2013 at 06:12 am

LOL @ 0:45 ” If you move you will be………………………………………………………..ugh Hurt?”

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Jake May 4, 2013 at 10:00 pm

Can’t believe that nobody else thought that was the funniest thing! I laughed half the whole video at that one line!

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Drew May 3, 2013 at 06:45 am

Makes perfect sense considering 4 were stabbed at another church in Albuquerque last Sunday. http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/albuquerque/2-stabbed-at-northwest-albuquerque-church/-/9153728/19928372/-/5j7enhz/-/index.html

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DB327 May 3, 2013 at 07:19 am

According to Virginia code, you have to have “good and sufficient reason” to carry in a place of worship. That said, the attorney general has stated that self-defense qualifies as “good and sufficient reason.” Using Christianity as a reference, you don’t have to look too hard around the Bible to find key figures that carried weapons to defend themselves and fight for their causes. I’m pretty sure it’s not much different in most of the major religions of the world.

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Unistat76 May 3, 2013 at 07:39 am

Not only am I for church carry, I practice it every Sunday. Shootings happen at churches, they are perceived as a soft target. In a lecture I attended last month one of the speakers was Carl Chinn who was the head of security for New Life Church in Colorado (the one in which an active killer was stopped by Jean Assam.) He was there and shooting back at the nutbag. It was very interesting listening to his account of what happened.

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Al Cohol May 3, 2013 at 07:57 am

I’m not religious at all and pretty much a bonafied atheist, but I fucking love what these guys are doing. This is America at its finest. Exercising their right to religion and their right to bear arms. And that makes me fucking happy. Cause that’s what this country was founded on, Freedom. My home state, California, would shit their pants over this. Bunch of panzy’s.

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John May 3, 2013 at 09:17 am

Given that this is also a school, it’s a bit different from a church with ccw…but in theory, I’m not against it. It’s it just putting on the modern version of the armor of God?

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MakoGroup May 3, 2013 at 10:39 am

The hipster interviewer “What happened to turn the other cheek?” You can’t turn the other cheek if you’re dead from an active shooter you dumb fuck.

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John D May 3, 2013 at 10:41 am

Well, guy with a knife went nuts at a local (Abq NM) Catholic church just last Sunday and did a LOT of damage before being subdued by unarmed parishoners.
Nothing wrong with “Christion Soldiers”!

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Techgnome May 5, 2013 at 09:21 pm

Sadly a very large number of Christians don’t seem to think much on how the Israelites had to fight for God’s promised land. And the weapons and warfare of that era were extremely violent.

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BroadBill International May 3, 2013 at 11:01 am

Judging by the draw at 3:45 maybe the pastor should start a bowling league also!!

I do give credit to these guys and agree with Al, nothing like exercising freedom of religion and right to bear arms at the same time.

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Quint Young May 3, 2013 at 11:49 am

Honestly, something about religion and weapons dosent sit well with me. But, people are free to do as they please. I just start feeling weird when people say things like “Christian Soldiers”, or if they were to call themselves “Holy Warriors”

I believe there there is a verse in the christian bible (I’m Jewish) where Jesus tells his follows to sell their shirt and buy a gladius (a short sword meant specifically as a weapon)

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SittingDown May 3, 2013 at 11:59 am

Tools in the tool shed. LOL

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William May 3, 2013 at 02:30 pm

I am a pastor in Alaska. I am for exercising our God-given right to defend innocent life. I carry in the pulpit and it is widely known. I can see the three major entrances/exits from the pulpit and have clear lines of fire. Others carry regularly. We have church outings to a local range.

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hnl.flyboy May 3, 2013 at 05:30 pm

Honestly, I’ll support anyone’s decision, whether to carry to protect themselves, or to trust God, as long as they give others the option to choose as well. If someone deep in their heart truly believes God doesn’t want them to carry at His house of worship, then who am I to argue against the Holy Spirit? This person’s faith will be rewarded, either by supernatural protection, or by God calling him or her home.

That being said, there are those Christians who believe in, “thou shalt not tempt the Lord,” and feel this is a necessary safety precaution, similar to wearing seatbelts, wearing helmets, having life vests handy, and even having insurance. These Christians may feel that without carrying, they are tempting the Lord.

Either way, as long as it’s what they feel God is calling them to do, I’ll be supportive of their decision…and back that support with my own concealed firearm.

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Jos May 3, 2013 at 06:04 pm

I’m a Pastor and I lead our church to form a “volunteer” security team made up of off duty LEO. We also have a police presence every Sunday morning. All of this started after a threat was made on my life by a person from another state. I typically carry a Glock 20 gen 4 most of the time. I don’t carry during church but our team conceals. During the week I’m typically packing.

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CJ May 4, 2013 at 05:03 am

I sure wish my church was like that one…

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Techgnome May 4, 2013 at 10:29 am

In NC you can carry concealed as long as you have the permission of the owner, (usually the Pastor). Although I’m sure having your CWP helps in getting said permission. I personally love the idea of armed parishioners and I know of at least three people that sometimes carry in our church. It’s been proven time and again; armed resistance = minimal casualties (often just one), cowering victims = mass murder. And I’ve used the same argument that hnl.flyboy mentioned in showing others the reasoning behind being armed. But I like using fire extinguishers as the main example.

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Jim P. May 5, 2013 at 08:56 pm

About the only thing I question is how they handled the stranger walking down the street. That could have been used as an opportunity to bring someone into the church.

I’m an atheist, but have no problem with the church as long as they don’t try to convert me. I also have nothing wrong with anyone carrying in or out of church.

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