Starbucks No Gun Request – Another Viewpoint

MAC weighs in:

I always like this guy.

I’m pretty sure Starbucks will let it blow over as he said, as long as this whole “I HAVE RIGHTS.  I WANT TO OPEN CARRY MY M134 MINIGUN.  DON’T TREAD ON ME” thing doesn’t get more derpy.

I wonder if he threw that Kel-Tec KSG of his in the wood chipper yet?

Thoughts?  I don’t know if anyone has anything left to say… we’ve pretty much been beating this to death for a week now.

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Doc September 26, 2013 at 02:35 am

Is everyone going to turn on MAC now for not demanding that everyone boycott Starbucks? Or has the blind ire subsided enough that everyone feels a bit silly about the wild kneejerk reaction? Has everyone realized that raging hard against Starbucks over their new “don’t be an asshole” policy is no different than the anti-gun kneejerk reaction to blame guns and video games for every violent crime?

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Jusuchin (Military Otaku) September 26, 2013 at 03:46 am

Been ages since I posted, damn work.

I don’t think people are gonna turn on him.

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dave w September 26, 2013 at 05:31 am

Hes the most reasonable voice on this subject yet.

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StarvinPilgrim September 26, 2013 at 01:31 pm

^ this.

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James Earl Jones September 26, 2013 at 02:44 pm

I know this subject has been beaten into the ground, but a response like MAC’s is the first that I’ve fully agreed with. If we want people to stop looking at gun owners as a liability, then we have to stop acting like one. Education isn’t brandishing/open carrying weapons around people who are leery or even afraid of guns and expecting them to understand. If you truly want to educate someone, invite them to a controlled environment, like a gun range and actually educate them. Every time I’ve invited someone, who was antigun or on the fence about guns, to the range they’ve always walked away with a smile on their face, a new appreciation for how safe they can be (if you handle it safely), and usually a desire to buy one or at least wanting another opportunity to come out and enjoy their second amendment rights.

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9x18 September 26, 2013 at 08:57 am

Lol This guy, why is everyone sucking up to him? he a stuck up sissy too good for everyone pube boy. He made a about bowing down to the police and then the one(come and shoot with me) like he’s some kind of king. Plus I don’t know why people don’t realize it but he’s just a sales man, lying thru his teeth just like any car salesman would.

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SenseiJohnKreese September 26, 2013 at 09:25 am

The hate is strong with this one.

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elephantrider September 26, 2013 at 08:05 pm

Yes, hate for the English language and all of it’s grammar and syntax.

9×18 is a turd.

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elephantrider September 26, 2013 at 08:06 pm

* its’ Oops, now who’s the idiot?

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9x18 September 27, 2013 at 06:26 pm

then do something pussy as bitch with a gat your ass would get slung across the room and out the fucking window. even with a gat. all you are pussy bitches, just like this fuck face I would woop his ass up and down the haul like a little bitch. Fat ass racist mother fuckers sitting on the internet, in reality I beat the shit out you all. Bring on bitches and try set a location time and date anywhere in east coast I’ll show up and send your asses to the grave mother fuckers.

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Rob.G September 27, 2013 at 07:16 pm

I think it’s time for a moderator to step in. Now.

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dgdimick September 27, 2013 at 09:16 pm

What language is this? Its not English that’s for sure.

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dave w September 28, 2013 at 06:29 am

i think its niglish

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elephantrider September 28, 2013 at 08:01 pm

Is ‘retard’ a language?

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GreenMountain Human September 28, 2013 at 12:59 pm

Did one of the “hoppers” from The Wire write this? Naw, even they would have been way more creative. Kids these days…

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st4 September 28, 2013 at 11:08 pm

I could feel actually myself getting stupider while reading this.

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FALster September 29, 2013 at 04:17 pm

Did you just, “dat’s racist,” everyone because they were humored by your butchering of the English language? Awesome. That is all.

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

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Todd S September 26, 2013 at 01:21 pm

I sense… much trolling.

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st4 September 26, 2013 at 01:43 pm

We should listen to those with a knack for syntax genocide instead.

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Seth September 29, 2013 at 02:18 pm

Dude…you can’t even type a sentence, or spell things correctly.

If you’ll get a vasectomy now, I’ll pay for it. We have enough people swilling Keystone Light and reading at a 3rd grade level without you making more of them.

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Highjak86 September 26, 2013 at 02:14 pm

I don’t agree that your 1st Amendment rights get checked at any door, even on private property. It’s just that the owners right to say who is on their property and who isn’t supersedes any right you may have. Your right to swing your fist stops where my nose begins.

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Doc September 27, 2013 at 04:49 pm

I bet you do. I seriously doubt that if you opened a business, you would let anyone and everyone use your place of business as a place to preach their religious or political message so long as they bought a coffee or whatever. I bet you’d kick me out if I called your SO a bitch, or if I whipped out a religious pamphlet and began preaching a sermon to you.

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Shroomy September 27, 2013 at 04:55 am

MAC spoke very well in his vid, but i have to disagree. If starbucks were to say “Yeah, we dont want homos, blacks, or muslims in our stores” everyone would be shitting themselves and boycotting them out of business, and rightly so. Gun rights are no different. Just because some pro gun people take it a little too far, its wrong to punish a group of people for the actions of a few regardless of if they say they are going to enforce it or not…

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dave w September 27, 2013 at 07:19 pm

wow, a homo black muslim really got dealt a shitty hand, but as long as hes not french too he is still doing ok.

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Rob.G September 27, 2013 at 07:24 am

I’m in my early 50’s, I eat right and exercise and I dress like everyone else. I don’t even own any tactical or gun-related clothing. I do happen to open carry a handgun everywhere it’s legal to do so. Not as a demonstration, statement or protest and not an AR, an AK or a shotgun, just a handgun for personal defense.

Most don’t even notice and those who do have never once said or done anything negative. Perhaps it’s because I smile easily and am very approachable, but reactions have always been overwhelmingly positive.

I think walking into a grocery store or a coffee shop with a long rifle just because you can is arrogant, immature and counter-productive and I can see why others find it scary and offensive and want it outlawed.

I plan to honor Starbucks’ request and not OC in their stores anymore. Winter is coming and my coat will hide it from their view.

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Travis September 27, 2013 at 10:42 am

I agree with most of what you said Rob. I also OC daily and most don’t notice. Those that do notice, don’t care.

As far as Starbucks goes, they didn’t ask us to not ‘OC’ in their stores, they asked us not to bring our “weapons”. Fair enough. They simply joined a small list of places my family and I will no longer go.

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dgdimick September 27, 2013 at 11:57 am

My take on this is the same as Mac’s – Starbucks has been put in a lose-lose situation. They just want to sell coffee and make money doing it.

Travis, are you going to stop going to banks, the post office, or a court house? They don’t let you open carry?

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Travis September 27, 2013 at 01:59 pm

dgdimick,
I do most of my banking online. In the rare occasion that I have to see a teller, I do in fact OC to my credit union. The post office is federal land so yes, unfortunately, I would have to park off site and leave my gun in my car. I haven’t been to one in years though so that hasn’t really been much of an issue. In Washington state, court houses must provide lock boxes for you to deposit your firearm. I actually did this not to long ago when I took my wife to get her concealed pistol license.

I agree that SB’s just wanted to be left alone. I also agree that they should have. But like most things, it only takes a few to screw it up for the rest of us…

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Doc September 27, 2013 at 04:55 pm

The better question is, will people boycott gun stores? I don’t know of a single gun store that will let Joe Sixpack carry a loaded gun on his hip into the store. Other dealers, maybe, or cops on duty, but most have “NO LOADED FIREARMS” signs on the door.

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Travis September 27, 2013 at 05:02 pm

Doc,
You’ve clearly never been to Washington. :)

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dgdimick September 27, 2013 at 02:07 pm

Travis,

I think we see eye-to-eye on this. I also think this is a good lession for people to learn from – don’t drag others into your “rights” fight. Since I don’t do FB, I can safely say I don’t think I got myself into the middle of this. I myself, don’t normally visit Starbucks – the coffe isn’t that good, and the prices are too high

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Travis September 27, 2013 at 03:16 pm

dgdimick,
Agreed. It’s already starting at other places. Moms Demand Lovin, err, I mean, ‘Action’, is now targeting Staples. God help us if we start seeing pictures of people carrying AR’s and SKS’s while buying a damned printer…

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Rob.G September 27, 2013 at 07:24 pm

Agreed.

I think the “Moms Demand Victims” folks are on a roll now with the Starbucks thing and are working feverishly to keep their momentum going.

Let’s hope the long rifle folks will keep their rifles at home for the foreseeable future.

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jim bob September 27, 2013 at 07:03 pm

the only thing i open carry into Starbucks is coffee from Dunkin Donuts, because it is cheaper and better.

i am with pube boy above, used car salesman should not carry guns or be crowned kings.

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