Following up on the prior article I wrote today, Utah Valley University – Open Carry Incident, I decided to email Nick Moyes.  He got back to me with the following:

Trolley Square, Utah, Virginia Tech, Columbine, Northern Illinois University, University of Alabama, University of South Florida, Dawson College: Montreal, Canada, Fort Hood, and Ohio State University just yesterday.

For some reason, mass shootings like to occur on college campuses and other “Gun Free Zones”. Perhaps it is because bad people go to where they know they will have the least resistance in carrying out their diabolical plans. I believe this to hold true from a petty thief all the way up to a fascist dictator.

I did not break any laws nor did I disrupt school activities as is evident from the videos I recorded. A student called in to campus police and asked if I was legally allowed to carry a gun. The student did not call in panic or to report a crime, it was simply a question, and I believe it should have been handled as such.

When the officers approached me and I realized that it was not going to be a simple check to see if I had a Concealed Firearm Permit, and I when I realized that it was going to be my word and Utah law against the opinions of two law enforcement officers, I pulled out my iPhone and pressed record. I did so, not to make the officers look unintelligent but to have a personal record of the incident. My reasoning to press the matter beyond that is explained in great detail throughout dozens of posts on the following website: http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=7775&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

I have been open carrying for a long time, well before I had a CFP, as it was and is allowed in the State of Utah. I do not believe that the gun laws of Utah and the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution are no longer applicable to me while attending my accounting classes. I refuse to be a victim. There is not a uniformed officer outside of each of my classrooms, nor do I expect there to be. It is not their duty legally or otherwise to protect me, I am the only one responsible for me.

I have never open carried to make a point, to be “cool”, or because I have some sort of “Napoleon complex”. Those that know me, know that this has never been the case. I choose to open carry because I am legally able to do so and because it simply works better for me.

A right unexercised is a right lost. Opencarry.org

I ALWAYS go about open carrying in a quiet, dignified, and polite manner. I am always respectful of those around me who have never seen a gun before, by being approachable to have a conversation about Utah gun laws, to talk about why I choose to carry, and talk about the responsibility that goes along with carrying. People that know me and attend classes with me repeatedly thank me for carrying in their classrooms and for being willing and able to carry a gun at my side. It just sits there, it does not move. I do not remove it from its holster; I do not touch it. It is just an object that sits discreetly by my side.

And that is where my gun stays; unless I am, or God forbid my fellow classmates, are ever in danger of losing our lives at the hand of another who wishes to take our lives before law enforcement can arrive. I will refer you back to the growing list of colleges that have to deal with this kind of tragedy. I am not paranoid, simply aware of my responsibility, and mine only, to protect myself. I carry a gun as a safety precaution, just like wearing a seat belt in a moving car. Please think about all of the parallels that are applicable to that analogy.

Thank you to those that have an open mind and understand this logical approach. I am not an activist nor did I intend for this to go public beyond my campus or utahconcealedcarry.com.

This has not been easy to handle and I sincerely thank those who are supporting me and thank you to all of those who also carry legally and quietly everyday. God bless you.

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Thanks Nick!

I think it is great that Nick was able to get his iPhone out and record the video so we could actually see what happened, rather than just hearing about it 2nd hand.  I think everyone that carries, both openly or concealed, should have some sort of recording device on them (preferebly both video and audio) in order to document any incidents that occur.

Anyone have any comments? Or a similar story to share?

P.S. – The photoshop I did is a play on words with UVU’s motto “Success Starts Here”

OREM, Utah – A Utah Valley University student says he is within his rights openly displaying a gun while carrying a concealed gun permit, even while on campus. And that is what student Nick Moyes did Friday morning when he was stopped by the campus police and was told to put the gun away. As president of UVU’s Republican Club, Moyes was hanging posters for an event when he was detained.

Full Story – Here

So the law says he can open carry, but some campus cops don’t like it?  Wow.. great…

If you are questioning how Nick handled the situation, you can see the entire video of the confrontation below in 2 parts:

I honestly don’t think Nick could have handled himself better.  He was polite, he knew the law, asked intelligent questions, and stuck to his beliefs.

It’s stories like this that I find really irritating.  If open carry on campus in Utah is legal according to the law, then why did this incident ever happen?  I don’t care if some of the students, or the police, don’t feel comfortable that someone without a uniform has a gun.  Nick Moyes was doing nothing wrong and should not have been harassed.  If you go to a university in Utah and you don’t like Utah state law, then I suggest looking into attending university in one of 49 of our other states.  As far as I am concerned, same goes if you are a police officer in Utah.  If you aren’t interested in enforcing the law AS WRITTEN, then that is not the job for you.

I say this again and again, but there NEEDS to be some accountability in law enforcement when it comes to situations like this.  A police officer should not be able to harass someone for doing something within the limits of the law.

I was thinking some more about that recent ATF airsoft seizure and came up with the following…

For your information, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.

The GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:

… (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive: (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

Source – ATF.gov

Another paragraph of interest…

Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.

Source – ATF.gov

So… According to the ATF’s citations of the Gun Control Act and U.S. Code, you can make your own firearm and you do not need a FFL.

The ATF does not specify what material you have to use, and it does not put any restriction on making a firearm out of an object that previously had another use.  Hell, if you wanted to make a firearm out of a toaster, from what I understand you definitely could.

By that rationale, if you buy an airsoft gun that “Needs Machining” to complete its transformation to fit an AR-15 lower parts kit, is it not only considered a firearm once you complete it?

If you cannot drop a lower parts kit in those airsoft receivers without any machining then I think that is a VERY good argument that they are not firearms, and should never have been confiscated.

I find I go through PeopleOfWalmart for a couple minutes every few months.  Was doing some browsing there today and came across this:

Sometimes you have to go deep undercover. How do you think the queen of all homemakers Martha Stewart got caught?

Location: Texas

ENHANCE…

This off duty Texas police officer is rocking what appears to be the full set of Bianchi basket weave Leather.  I am making the assumption she is an off duty police officer because as some of you may or may not know, open carry of handguns is highly restricted in Texas, meaning that unless you are are law enforcement, no dice.

What’s Awesome:

• Her choice of sidearm is a Glock
• She is a open carrying
• She is a woman exercising her rights

What could use work:

• I’m not feeling the outfit as a whole
• Open carry rig not even attached to pants through any belt loops
• Slippers in WalMart? NASTY!.. I Hope she takes those off before she enters her home

It’s nice to see the comments on PeopleOfWalmart are actually quite positive towards open carry.  Most of the other comments on this picture are just down right hilarious!

Here are some of my favorite funny comments:

• She’s obviously not a member of the fashion police. (EAGLE EYE)
• I guess the answer to the question, “does this outfit make me look fat,” is a most definite “no!” (KINGREG)
• She should have gone with a powder blue holster, black is way too formal for sweats. (DEMIDAN)

Source: People of Walmart – HERE

Ever since the military and law enforcement started using m16’s and m4’s produced by Colt, the company developed an elitist status because they chose largely to turn their nose up at civilian market.

Now they seem to want a piece of the market, with the new AR6720.

The fact the pricing for the Colt 6720 is being based on serial number just goes to show that you can’t shake old habits. I don’t know if the tiered pricing was decided by Colt or by Clyde Armory (the exclusive retailer of the 6720).  The serial number in itself obviously only has extrinsic value… meaning no one really cares what it is, unless you can find someone pretentious enough that “NEEDS” a certain serial number that you possess.  Unless of course for this model, Colt doesn’t clean or calibrate their machines after the first parts are made.  I guess that would make the later ones less valuable? heheh

Here is how the pricing goes…

• The least expensive guns are serial # 400 and up – $1200
• Most expensive serial # 11 – $3000

#1 – #10 are apparently “spoken for”

I’ll admit $1200 isn’t TOO terrible…  like Solomon at SNAFU! mentioned though, it is still quite a bit higher than similar offerings from Bushmaster, Rock River Arms, Armalite etc…

I don’t ever like telling people what to do with their money, but in my opinion if you even pay $50 more for a #300 to #399 serial you’re making a big mistake. No matter what, you are better off buying a different brand name AR-15 such as the ones mentioned above, and spending the left over money on ammo or a red dot optic.

Clyde Armory for purchase info on the guns – HERE

This chart was in Newsweek magazine a few weeks ago:

It’s kind of hard to read the list on the graphic, so I retyped it:

1. Don’t be a hero: Accept the situation and prepare to wait.
2. Do what you’re told – and remember: the first 45 minutes are the most dangerous.
3. Don’t speak unless spoken to, and then only when necessary
4. Get comfortable, but never turn your back on your captor
5. Don’t make suggestions: you’ll be blamed if the idea goes wrong.
6. Don’t try to escape, unless your sure you’ll succeed and even then think twice.
7. Let medical needs be known – but in a matter-of-fact way.
8. Be observant: memorize captors’ names, identifying marks etc…
9. Answer only “yes” or “no” if you end up fielding questions from authorities
10. Signal the police if your captors are listening in on the line.
11. Don’t be argumentative: treat your captors like royalty.
12. Hit the floor: when help comes, stay down with your hands on your head.

Probably all good advice if you are willing to take the chance of dying at the hands of your captor.  Often though, you are going to have some pissed off captors on your hands once they figure out they are not getting all that they demand.  This has the potential to turn sour real quick and that’s when hostages start disappearing.

This is why I offer then 2 step solution to dealing with captors:

I know some of you are going to jump on me saying its not feasible in all situations, and I agree.   I’d rather take responsibility for my own life, rather than rolling the dice on whether or not Law Enforcement is going to surgically remove the scumbags before innocent people start dying.

Looks like he is suing for “Damages”:

As a direct and proximate result of Ward’s unconstutitonal actions, Embody was subjected to arrest in violation of his Fourth Amendment rights and subjected to mental anguish, humiliation and embarrassment, because, the events described in this Complaint were published widely in the Nashville area by the local news media.

If he is so embarrassed, then why does he showboat around on all the forums?

I’ll hold the constitution above personal opinion any day of the week, but if he expects to win a case like this, I bet any lawyer would have told him to keep his mouth shut, and lay low on internet forums.

Here is the Complaint itself:

Case # 3:10-cv-00126 , Middle Tennessee District Court 6th Circuit

Read the rest of this entry »

You have already heard my point of view on the incident HERE and HERE.

Josh from Iowa, who frequently comments on this Blog, has this to say:

In response to the news about the lawsuit filed by the owner of the AK-47 pistol, we may have to agree to disagree. I think this guy got exactly what he was asking for. Notice that I said “asking for.” I believe this guy went out with the intention and the hope of provoking a reaction from the public and a response from the authorities. Let’s not forget he was dressed in camouflage clothing. I imagine dressed in woodland camo with an AK-47 (pistol or not) slung across his body he looked more like an Afghan militia member than the upstanding, law-abiding citizen he will be portraying in court. Worth noting also is that he had painted the end of the barrel blaze orange, seemingly in an attempt to make it look like a harmless toy. At the very least I think that he demonstrated a lack of maturity and showed a sense of irresponsibility that law-abiding gun owners and gun rights activists should be ashamed of. This is not the image of gun owners I want popping into peoples’ minds when they pause to think about the second amendment.

Admittedly, whether or not he was trying to provoke a response from the authorities, and regardless of the fact that in doing so he may not have been acting in the most responsible and civilized way, it seems that nothing he did was illegal. Let’s examine that though. It seems that his weapon is legal by the slimmest of margins. The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, section 479.11, defines a pistol as:

“A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).”

It seems to me that it wouldn’t be much of a stretch to argue that his weapon was originally designed as a rifle, not a pistol, and therefore does not meet the requirements to be classified as a pistol. I know this isn’t the case, but I think this weapons classification as a pistol is a bit shaky. I have yet to see one of these things being fired from one hand either; that certainly seems improbable, and certainly not how it was intended to be fired. Its legitimacy as a pistol is, I think, questionable to begin with.

All of that aside, let’s look at why he’s filed a lawsuit. I haven’t seen the actual lawsuit, but according to the story that was linked to, his civil rights were violated by, “detaining him on Dec. 20, 2009 without probable cause and for longer than was necessary to determine he was not committing a crime.” The officer acted in good faith while performing his duties in stopping him to determine whether he was acting within the law or not. As a combat veteran infantryman, I’ve spent enough time in Afghanistan to recognize an AK-47 (or its variants) when I see one. I certainly would not have thought this to be considered a pistol by any means. He had probable cause to detain him, that’s clear. To release him without verifying the legality of a weapon that does not appear to be a pistol would have been irresponsible on the part of authorities. The only real question seems to be whether or not he was detained for an unreasonable amount of time. It seems that will be left for a judge to decide. I’ll say this though, if I were the authorities detaining him, once I determined that it was technically a pistol, he would remain detained while I determined whether or not he violated any laws by painting the end of the barrel orange to make it look like an airsoft toy. I believe that’s illegal in some jurisdictions, and I think rightfully so.

In the end I think (and hope) that this case will be dismissed; nothing awarded to the plaintiff.  I feel no sympathy for his predicament. I do, however, feel sorry for the fact that he must go through life operating with a sub-standard level of maturity, and am regretful that he feels compelled to act out in ways that bring negative attention to the firearm rights he purports to hold so dear.

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What do you guys think?

Some of you might remember my post from back in December on Open Carry Incidents.  I was mainly critical about how a situation in Tennessee’s Radnor Lake State Park was handled, where a man (Leonard Embody) was open carrying a Draco AK-47 pistol.  He was detained because the park ranger thought it was a modified rifle, and not a pistol.

After the way Leonard was treated, he finally decided to sue the park ranger who stopped him.

Good for him,  I hope he wins and gets awarded damages.

Source – NewsChannel5

I don’t know about you guys, but if someone breaks into my house when I’m home I want them DEAD, not tickled by a cute soft ball with tentacles on it.

From the packaging:

“This may be the most intelligent way to defend your family against home intruders.”

Intelligent how?  It’s smart to let some scumbag that wants to steal your stuff and/or hurt or intimidate your family survive to do it again another day?  Interesting.

I could see its use in Law enforcement for crowd control.  But the home defense thing is just laughable in my opinion.  The only clear advantage I can see is that you wouldn’t have any collateral damage with this (because there would be NO damage) if 100% of your shot didn’t hit the bad guy.

More information about Lightfield Less lethal products – HERE

Source of Article – Wired

Hat Tip: SayUncle

For those of you that though the initial leaked price of approximately $1500 was too good to be true, you were right!

From the recent press release:

Suggested retail price: Basic $2,685 and Enhanced $3,061

The Bushmaster ACR for the commercial market is available in the Basic and Enhanced configurations.  The additional features for the Enhanced version include an AAC® Blackout™ NSM Flash Hider for exceptional reduction of muzzle flash; multi-functional, three-sided aluminum hand guard with integral MIL-STD 1913 accessory rail; and folding, six-position telescoping composite stock with rubber butt pad, sling attachment mounts and 2-point push button sling. Each configuration of the commercial ACR is offered in a non-reflective, black finish or Coyote Brown (30118).

I’m sure they will sell enough of them anyway, but at almost double the initial leaked price for the most basic model, a lot of people are going to be angry.

Link to press release – HERE

Bushmaster ACR website – HERE

Although bird assisted target acquisition may be legal in Russia (the likely location of the photo).  It is highly illegal in the United States.

“It’s just that bird law in this country is not governed by reason.”

-Charlie (Season 5 Episode 1 of It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia)

For those that are not familiar with the show “It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia”… It is hilarious.

I recommend getting caught up on it.  Buy the box set on Amazon – HERE

The gun in the bird picture is an AKS-74U, a shortened carbine version of the AKS-74.  You can read more about it at the wiki page – HERE

Bushmaster has their ACR (Adaptive Combat Rifle) website up with a countdown on it.  It will be released on January 18th, which is 1 day before the SHOT show in Las Vegas starts.

Check out the website -> http://www.bushmaster.com/acr/

Here is an ad that is going around (as usual click to enlarge):

I thought this video deserved its own post, because of its awesomeness.  I can’t imagine anything cooler than shooting at things out of a helicopter.

The DVD comes out in February.

Hat Tip: SoldierSystems

This video looks absolutely incredible.

That would be one course I would definitely want to take, more so than even the tactical carbine courses they run.

At the very least I will definitely be buying the DVD set when it comes out in Feburary.

Hat Tip: SoldierSystems

From the description:

Found this video on a disk at the airport.
Looks like a promotional video of their ACR to be used at SHOT show.

Whatever it is, it’s pretty awesome.

For those of you that don’t know.. this rifle has changed hands many times before this up and coming release.  It first was the Magpul Masada, then Bushmaster bought it and renamed it to the ACR (Adaptive Combat Rifle) and is reportedly going to be catering to the commercial marketplace.  Remington will be selling a selective-fire version of the ACR to military and law enforcement.  Freedom Group Inc. is a large company that owns both Bushmaster and Remington.

More information on the Wiki page – HERE

Hat Tip: ShoulderThingThatGoesUp

Any Australians that could provide some insight into how he has some of those guns?

I thought guns were highly restricted and auto ones effectively banned in Australia after the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, but then I saw that music video.

Wikipedia lists all the Australian firearms categories, notably this one:

Category R/E: restricted weapons: machine guns, rocket launchers, assault rifles, flame-throwers, anti-tank guns, Howitzers, artillery, .50-calibre BMG weapons, etc. (Collectors in some states only, weapons must be comprehensively deactivated. Deactivated firearms are still subject to the same storage and licensing requirements as ‘live’ firearms in many states.)
Source – HERE

The Sporting Shooters Association of Australia (SSAA) makes no mention of the R/E category anyone on their website – HERE

Another thing that I found odd in the music video was that Steve fly’s somewhere, presumably in Australia (because of the Right Hand Drive car) to purchase that car to shoot up.  But he pays with US currency… is that commonplace in Australia?  Maybe that last part with the automatic weapons and the rocket launchers was filmed here in the U.S.?

When it comes to open carry there seems to be two definite groups in the firearm community.

Group A – Open carry unnecessarily draws attention.  You should conceal carry instead if you can.

Group B – If the law says I can open carry, I’m going to do it if I feel like it.

I fall into Group B.

If you are an adult that is afraid of guns, I can’t help you.  You are going to have to figure out on your own that the simple presence of a gun does not mean people are going to die.  The more people that open carry the more obvious this will become.

Gun owners that decide to exercise their rights should not be treated like criminals.

A perfect example is the latest open carry incident in Tennessee:

What an absolute disaster of speculation and misinformation.

This is a picture of the actual gun (note the orange airsoft-like tip):

The story according to the Tennessee man involved:

I went to the Tennessee State Radnor Lake State Park this afternoon to take in some nature and get some exercise. I dressed in boots, blue jeans, t-shirt, vest, and an old military issue gore-tex woodland camo jacket. I carried my new Romanian Draco AK pistol loaded with 31 123 grain FMJ ammunition from Walmart. I arrived at approximately 3:30 pm and with the pistol slung on my back I started my walk. It was mostly uneventful. I saw no deer and passed maybe 30 hikers. As I reached the end of the trail I made sure no one was close by and shifted the ak-47 pistol to the front of my body. I reached the end of the trail and turned onto the roadway where I saw the first ranger of the day. He asked me if it was an airsoft and I said no it was an AK-47 type pistol. He looked at me strangely and asked to see my permit. I showed my Tennessee handgun carry permit. He asked where I parked and I told him. He said I could keep walking I kept walking as he called someone. By the time I reached my car the ranger was no where in sight as I walk quickly. However, another ranger vehicle pulled in the parking lot and a ranger jumped out with a shotgun pointed at me and yelled at me to stay still and put the weapon on the ground. After I put the weapon down he told me to move away which I did. He then told me to put my face on the ground and my arms on my head. I complied. I think he had a gun trained on me the whole time, but I couldn’t see. He searched me quickly and put my AK into the truck. This particular ranger has seen me before and has asked to see my TN handgun carry permit. He asked to see the permit again and asked for my driver license. I told him I would not give him my license, but he could see the permit.

Three Nashville metro cop cars showed up pretty quickly. They talked among themselves for about an hour and then a cop pulled out a citation for arrest. It said I was being arrested for 39-17-1311 unlawful possession of a weapon. He asked me to sign and I told him I wanted to speak with his supervisor. He said okay, but that it would take a long time and he just wanted to cite and release me for my convenience (yeah right). I asked what part of 39-17-1311 I violated he said I couldn’t carry a rifle. I told him my firearm was classified as a pistol. It has no stock and never had a stock. I also pointed out that it has an 11.5” barrel with complies with the length of a handgun definition in Tennessee. He said it looks like I had cut the stock off and another said they had never heard of a 7.62×39 handgun. It took about another ½ hour for the sergeant to show up. In the meantime one of the original cops left, another park ranger came and left and two more cops showed up. The sergeant showed and I tried to explain that the firearm was a handgun. I also told him if they were going to arrest me to just take me in front of the magistrate right away. They spent another ½ hour asking me if I had a form 1, that the ATF classifies my pistol as a rifle, and they had never seen an AK pistol before. Finally they told me they had gotten in touch with the manufacturer and the manufacturer said it indeed was a pistol. I highly doubt that, but that is what they told me. They released the handcuffs, and gave me back my magazine, ammo, and pistol. (Source – AR15.com)

This is how I propose situation should have been handled:

• Police get a frantic call that there is a man with a gun in the park
• The police operator asks for a few details.. what is he doing, what is he wearing etc.. and it comes out that he is simply walking on the trail and he happens to have on a camouflage jacket
• Officers are sent to the scene to investigate
• They show up and see the man with gun.  He is not doing anything threatening, so they just ask to see his carry permit.
• Officers then ask the man a couple of questions about what he was doing, paying close attention to his demeanor and attitude
• The man is presumably quite calm and collected, and the officers find out he was simply going for a walk just minding his own business
• Officers initially are dubious that the AK-47 is an actual legal pistol, so they ask the man about it
• The man explains that it is a legally manufactured Draco AK-47 pistol with absolutely no modifications to it
• The officers Google “Draco AK-47 pistol” and verify what the man told them
• Officers apologize to the man for the inconvenience, and send him on his way
• A note is made in the police computer, that there is indeed such thing as an AK pistol, and all officers in the department are issued a short memo to avoid future speculation and confusion

Did the man carry the AK pistol that day to try to “push the limits” of the law? Probably, but the law does not specify that rifle caliber handguns are not allowed so why not?

Is painting an orange tip on your AK pistol a dumb idea? Seems kind of pointless, but again I don’t see the problem.  If he had a realistic looking airsoft gun people would have still called the cops and it would have been treated the same way (up until the police took it off him and realized it was airsoft)

Are rifle caliber pistols ridiculous for self defense? Depending on the situation it might be overkill.  Such a powerful round definitely has risk of over penetration which could result in collateral damage, so that’s never good.

Do you think it would be a good idea for the same Tennessee man (or anyone else) to open carry an AK pistol or something similar in the near future? Definitely a good idea, in fact I’d recommend it if open carry is allowed in your state.  The more reported incidents there are like this, people will realize what I mentioned above… the simple presence of a gun does not mean people are going to die.

I have to stress that you should always treat law enforcement with respect.  It is definitely in your best interest, considering they will always have the upper hand.  If you feel they are asking questions that are out of line, then get a lawyer.  Always know your rights.

Buy your own Romanian Draco AK-47 pistol to open carry for $350 – HERE

Link to the AR15.com post by the Tennessee open carry man himself (username: kwikrnu) – HERE

This is the supposed pricing sheet for Law Enforcement, showing the price of the new generation 4:

At least they didn’t jack the price way up.

Source: TheHighRoad

UPDATE: Steve @ TheFirearmBlog has Dealer and MSRP pricing up now as well

Is SERIOUS BUSINESS according to LaserMax:

Put a sticker on the outside of my gun? Uhhhh I don’t think so.

Full Story: Jay G at MArooned Blog