Over Lubrication Myth Busted

Larry be like “OH YEA DAWG, That’s what I’m talkin about”:

Larry-Vickers-Over-Lubricationhaha LAV trolls hard in this one.  If there was food involved in this it would be almost like he’s treading on Mattv2099 territory.

hahah this video was awesome, I hope he does more like it.

I think the main problem with extreme lubrication like this is that if you dropped that on the ground and kicked it around then it would be a disaster because you’d have sticky/muddy dusty mess in the gun.  If there was the proper amount of lube it wouldn’t be as extreme.

Thoughts? *Larry turns myths awwwwwwwwwwf*

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Never Go Full Yeager December 13, 2014 at 05:49 am

Some guy posted this video a few weeks ago. I prefer his approach with the trolling title! – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z6OuqvzrUk

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Never Go Full Yeager December 13, 2014 at 05:50 am

For the record I agree with Yeager about striker fired pistols. I had a friend that I knew, who started working at a gun shop for a couple of years, and the number one reason Glocks were sent back to the factory was because of over lubrication. MattV2099 proved this a while ago. – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lpDkk_xlA

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Mattv2099 December 13, 2014 at 06:28 am

I conducted some science n shit that day. Way ahead if my time.

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JohnnyIShootStuff December 13, 2014 at 07:00 am

Backyard science beats lab science everyday, and twice on sundays. Really? Who goes shooting in a science lab? I’d much rather test my shit in a dirty ghetto with my own doritos dust covered hands.

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ENDO-Mike December 14, 2014 at 12:05 am

haha burnt

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Jason December 13, 2014 at 05:49 am

Man, those youtube comments… I guess all those chairborne operators totally schooled the LAV, huh?

The thing that cracks me up about the internet gun world is how people get their knickers in wad when someone state some random kind of absolute.

So, we have Vickers showing excess lube doesn’t kill a gun, so where’s the chairborne videos proving excess or no lube destroys a gun?

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JohnnyIShootStuff December 13, 2014 at 05:55 am

The gun lubrication business is a modern day snake oil scam. My competition gun (1500+ rounds a month avg) get lubricated with 10w30. I clean the gun once a month and that’s it, so it could be as much as 2000 rounds between cleanings. You don’t need to drop $40 on .75oz of froglube or any of the other scam oils out there. Most shooters will clean a gun after just a few hundred rounds, hell you could use cooking oil and the gun would function just fine.

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derpmaster December 13, 2014 at 07:01 am

I use 5w30 where light oil is needed, white lithium grease on handgun slides, and graphite powder on 22 rifles. Works like a charm.

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ENDO-Mike December 13, 2014 at 02:55 pm

The graphite powder works well? I always figured a powder that was unconstrained would just fly off right away.

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derpmaster December 14, 2014 at 01:10 pm

You aren’t supposed to use graphite on any aluminum parts, but for all steel 22 rifles, it’s the shit. The big problem with 22s is that the ammo is so dirty that any oil just turns into a powder residue goo after a few hundred shots. With a dry lube like graphite powder, it doesn’t gum up. It still gets plenty dirty though, but that’s just the nature of shooting 22LR. Graphite powder is very sticky and very finely ground, it doesn’t just “go flying” but actually adheres somewhat to the metal.

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Slick December 13, 2014 at 11:53 am

I’m with you there. 5w30 mobile and white lithium plumbers grease are all the lube I use for my firearms. Every time i try to look up what is in this or that lube, all I get is some manufactures claims and nothing in the MSDS that really differentiates it from motor oil.

My sig loves white lithium grease on the slide rails.

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JohnnyIShootStuff December 13, 2014 at 12:38 pm

I’ve been trying to find a chemistry grad student who is willing to do some testing for me and go on camera. I did find one who is a U.S. Navy research chemist based in MD, she would talk but not on cam. She said that the pressures, heat, and cycles of most modern small arms are such that any lubricant you can find will work just fine. She said there is much more marketing science behind gun lube products than there is chemical science.

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AJ187 December 13, 2014 at 02:34 pm

I respect your guys choice about lubes, but let me tell you all, slipstream is worth a try. Comes as a oil and a grease. Used in combination, it’s one of slickest feeling substances you can have on a guns action. Even use the oil on triggers and other parts to smooth out the action. It doesn’t take much and the oil and grease stay on for a long time. I’ve only ever bought one combo grease/oil to service my collection. Tried a lot of the modern lubes and none of them seemed to work so great. Just my 2 cents.

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st4 December 14, 2014 at 11:58 am

I tried this on a whim and just working an action with it, it’s noticeably slicker. I’ve no idea if that will prove it’s 200 times better in the end, but it’s a nice extra peace of mind.

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balais December 14, 2014 at 02:16 am

You are committing sacrilege and telling the undeniable truth at the same time

That 3 dollar tub of wheel bearing grease (the red shit) and typically synthetic or regular motor oil works just as good, if not better, for lubricating guns than Froglube, SLIP2000, and any under wonder lube out there.

CLP for cleaning? or special cleaners? nonsense. Modern motor oils are designed to draw out impurities like carbon and whatnot, making them true CLPs, but much cheaper in cost.

I get sick of the marketing bullshit when it comes to cleaners and oils. Barnum was right, “a sucker is born every minute”.

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Kevin December 13, 2014 at 03:46 pm

I’m a lefty, but I’d transition to right hand for that AR. All that crap getting pushed out of that ejection port and into my face does not appeal to me.

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Taylor December 13, 2014 at 04:52 pm

Well the other thing we got from this video is the screenshot at 2:58… Must order pizza every video.

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ENDO-Mike December 14, 2014 at 12:08 am
John Fritz December 13, 2014 at 07:04 pm

So what happens when the barrel is full of lube and the bullet comes along? Does the bullet squeegee out the lube ahead of it or does the barrel expand slightly to allow the lube to squish in between it and the bullet?

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hydepark December 13, 2014 at 07:19 pm

LOWLZ!

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GruntDoc December 16, 2014 at 05:09 pm

It can damage the barrel, causing a bulge. It’s not uncommon to see on older guns, particularly .22’s and shotguns.

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Daniel December 13, 2014 at 10:30 pm

Wait, that’s Larry Vickers shooting? I’m surprised, there was a whole lotta trigger slapping going on with that M9.

Not that I’m disagreeing with the point that under-lubrication is bad, but this doesn’t prove a thing. 10 rounds is irrelevant. Run those bitches 1000 rounds with all that lube, toss it in the dirt and sand between mags, and then let’s see what the result is compared to a gun that is properly lubed, then compare that to a gun that is under-lubed. THAT’s better science and would “prove a point”, this is just grand-standing, there is no control group, and the sample size is too small.

Also, I would have rather seen them field strip the guns, _then_ dump then in the oil, rather than just pouring it all over the inside.

The same goes for that other video by Mattv2099, sample size is too small. How do we know that _one_ failure wasn’t just a shitty primer?

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El Cid December 14, 2014 at 09:25 am

I was going to make that same argument. LAV’s video had as much credibility as the chairborne commandos counter-arguments.

Real sample sizes please under realistic conditions. I’m sure I could dump a gallon of maple syrup on a semi and manage to put one mag through.

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Leonard December 15, 2014 at 07:26 am

I was going to make the same argument. As much as I like LAV, this video is just soap boxing with a inconsequential demonstration. The AR will fire over lubed, its not rocket surgery to contemplate the mechanics involved. SHOW ME an AR running under three conditions: Dry BCG, lightly lubed BCG, and soaking wet BCG in both lightly dusted and heavy (think Iraqi sandstorm) like environments.

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Taylor December 15, 2014 at 04:11 pm

Yeah true… although I think it was more for the trolling than true science.

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Roger December 13, 2014 at 11:07 pm

All my firearms love powdered graphite

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Brian December 15, 2014 at 12:26 pm

Graphite is a great lube; however it will accelerate corrosion in aluminum in the presence of chlorides like ordinary salt.

Anodization (and probably cerakote) will offer protection; but if it wears through you will get accelerated corrosion.

Doesn’t mean you can’t use it; just be aware of its limitations. Nothing is perfect. If you’re in an arid desert environment where fine particulates are your main risk then graphite may be the best choice. Likewise if you’re in a wet environment a wet lube may be better.

It’s just chemistry.

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