The Glock Model 18 and 18C (compensated) offers a quality no other handgun in history can match: on demand, fully automatic capability. Available only to qualified, reputable law enforcement / government agencies, both versions can fire either semi-automatically, or with the design specific selector switch set in the correct position. Cycles at 1,200 rounds per minute.
As you can see the Glock 18 is $507 and the Glock 18C is $532
Source: http://www.ombguns.com/LE/catalog.aspx?id=5
I have heard so many rumors that G18s are 10s of thousands of dollars, but that’s just not true. From what I understand, an individual can’t own one of these. They are only available to Law Enforcement / Government / Military, or as samples to Class III dealers. Quite the incentive to become a Class III dealer if you ask me. 
It really doesn’t surprise me that the price is so low, considering there is very little difference between the Glock 18 and the Glock 17.
Although that side mounted selector switch on the Glock 18 is badass, I’d still settle for a Glock 17 with a drop in conversion.
A fun fact about the Glock 18, that some of you may not know…
When Saddam Hussein was captured by Delta Force soldiers in December of 2003 from a spider hole in Iraq, he had an unloaded Glock 18C on him. Four Delta force soldiers later presented the pistol to President George Bush, and according to friends and long-time associates it because a favorite memento of his, and for nearly 5 years he kept the mounted glass-encased pistol in the Oval Office. Before Mr. Bush left the White House in January, he made arrangements for the gun to be shipped to a national archives warehouse just 18 miles north of his new home in Dallas. No official word on whether the gun will for sure be present in the presidential library, but according to Mr. Bush’s friends and associates he intends to display it there. ( Source )
I’m curious of a few things:
- Did George Bush ever shoot Saddam’s G18?
- Was the gun framed in working condition, or is it deactivated?
- If the gun is not deactivated, were NFA rules suspended for the president?
- Is the gun actually the property of George Bush, or is it the property of the U.S. Government?
Ugh.. I wan’t one of those so bad. I bet G.W. shot his. He seems to be interested in guns, and that is a pretty amazing one to have.
George Bush not George Washington
Do you think, and I’m going to go way out on a limb here (sarcasm), that he meant “G.W.” as in “George Walker” as in “former president George Walker Bush”?
I think he meant Walker but change the L for an N to get his real name
Change M to F, R to G and omit the K so you have your real name
Stick to YouTube jackass. This is a firearm focused website, we didn’t all come here to listen to your retard theories on grammar.
You are very very stupid.
george puss the murderer
I’m sure that he did shoot it, he IS a Texan after all.
he is not really from texas even tho he wants to be looked at as a texan he is not
I’m kind of curious about those same things. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Delta guys had deactivated themselves before bringing it home, or at least did so themselves before presenting it to President Bush. If that’s the case, that would clear up the first three questions. As for ownership of it, I imagine that it was kept by the team that captured him. It’s not uncommon to find a captured and deactivated AK in company headquarters of units that have been overseas. It sounds like the team that had ownership of it voted to present it to the president. It was presented to President Bush, not “The Office of the President of the United States,” or something to that effect, so it would have been his personally (I would suspect). In giving it to the presidential library, it becomes the property of the American people though.
Kinda funny that an ordinary grunt with the 4th ID or was it the 101st actually caught him in the spyder hole and the Delta guys present the pistol.
Amazing.
I was not aware of that. I wonder why the Delta guys got the credit? Politics?
lol soloman. your miss guided yes it was 4id but they only pulled cordon while sf went in and cleared it. i know this because i am a 4id soldier in the unit the pulled the cordon.
asscrack
Blech. It causes me no end of annoyance when the prices of NFA-regulated firearms to “qualified” entities gets publicized… The fact that I could procure a fully-automatic version of a number of firearms for a Big-Mac-more than the currently-available firearm, assuming the NFA was repealed… yeah, that just grates on my happy little nerves.
Of course, then all the people who bought fully-automatics would see their “investments” evaporate, so we all know the NFA is pretty much here to stay.
As for Saddam’s piece, if it is demil’d, I certainly do not care. Otherwise, the NFA is the law of the land, now, and unless President Bush is a Class III dealer, he can visit it as often as he likes, as far as I am concerned.
Yea pretty irritating that we can’t have one
If the NFA ever was squashed I really don’t think they would care about people’s “investments” in guns. Look at what the government did to the housing and the stock markets.
Did everyone miss the government/military part and jump right to him having to be a dealer? This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen. Not only was he DEFINITELY government, you know, being President of the United States and all, but the also made him the highest ranking member of the military, the Commander-in-Chief.
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is, by law, the highest ranking member of the armed forces. The President is a civilian, not a member of the military. The office of the President is a civil office, not a military one; this is spelled out in the Constitution and, because of that, makes it clear that the United States will maintain “civil power over the military.”
Ergo, the President cannot be the highest ranking member of the military.
Civics lesson complete.
Trophy weapons are supposed to be demilitarized when they end up stateside. I’m not sure how the army does things but they may have made an exception for honorable Mr. Bush, but I doubt it is still operable. Who knows.
“Is the gun actually the property of George Bush, or is it the property of the U.S. Government?”
USG, probably. See here: http://www.usoge.gov/common_ethics_issues/gifts_bet_employees.aspx
It might fall under “events of personal significance” which I don’t think is subject to the $10 limit.
Similar stuff often happens to officer’s overseas, as they might get a really nice gift from another official (we often have to give crap because of The Rules). That item becomes the property of ‘the office’ and not the individual. There’s all sorts of rules.
Interesting link. It looks like that pertains only to gifts between employees of the executive branch, and seems to be meant to prevent gift giving to induce favoritism in assignments or promotions. And those bullet points specifically say they apply to gifts to a supervisor. I suppose it could also be argued that, even under the rules you linked to, the gift to President Bush would qualify as one detailed in the last paragraph – an infrequent gift presented by a group to an official superior. There would be even less basis for calling it improper since the gift was not purchased, and required no one to part with any money.
I based my previous comment on the subject on accounts I had read about items that other presidents had been given (mostly by foreign officials) that they had donated to their personal libraries. It seems that presidents have been given expensive (more so than this Glock’s actual value I’m sure) gifts in the past that are theirs to keep personally.
Actually, it’s rare for a President or other high official to be able to keep gifts. There was a news article just a few months ago about this exact subject, but I’m having trouble coming up with the link.
Bottom line, there’s a warehouse out there that’s basically just for storing gifts to officials. Mont Blanc pens are a common gift, but because of the rules, a congressman- for example- can’t keep it, even to use it in his office. neither can he sell it (or auction it, donate it, etc.) so basically it sits in the warehouse.
Some Saudi gave Condoleeza Rice a necklace worth about fifty grand. Same game- she can’t keep it unless she pays the Government it’s value, she can’t sell it or give it away, so it just sits in the warehouse.
Now, this gun is probably somewhat different- a trophy more than a gift, but I suspect similar rules apply. Even DEWAT’ed, I doubt Bush could take it home, unless he essentially buys it.
And as for the deactivation, if it’s going up for public display, it’ll almost certainly be disabled, most likely by removing any FA-specific internals, plus, in the case of a Glock, probably the striker as well. Supposedly Dillinger’s display guns are deactivated, though I suspect just by having removed the firing pins.
Doc.
Any gift given to an official of the United States is the property of the United States. Anything captured by US Armed Forces is the property of the United States unless returned to its rightful owner. Yes, individual soldiers have kept battlefield souvenirs but that can bring charges if the army cares to pursue it. The Delta Force soldiers transferred the Glock which was in US Army custody to the Office of the President of the United States. It had most likely already been recorded by the US Archives.
Upon leaving office, George Bush was able to have the firearm transferred to an Archives facility. I presume the one near his now home was designated as the storage location for items that will be loaned to President Bush’s library. It most likely contains along with official papers, significant state gifts and other memorabilia.
Yep, we cant have one, and nor could we make one here in the US, thanks to Pres. Ronald Reagan and his signing of the 86 ban.
I was just in Fayetteville,NC for the SFA Convention 2010 Last month and perchase the 9mm Glock, I,m hoping that it will be delivered to thje Gun Doctor in Roselle, IL. Please let me know when the weapen has been sent.
ok not to stir stuff or whatever but…………are you…like “all there”?
I see these messages coming through.. get a new hobby benicio
roger that
I used to be a COWBOY! George Bush dreams this everynight! In any event, if he were running for President again today – I would vote for him. Back in the day I owned a S&W Model 76 Smith and Wesson SMG with a Dater SG-9 “Can” and all the parts you could want. I also owned a Colt Green Stock Model 601 with a serial # between the one in Springfield NHS and the one at the Smithsonian. Both of these class three items were C&R. I sold them about 10 years ago. Today I would give my left nut to have them back. However, nuts are almost as hard to come by as legal SMG’s! These days I am lucky to go shooting with a friend who has an old bolt gun or black powder gun. Things change and so must we! Rock and Roll Mr. President! We will never see as good a man again in the White House my lifetime!
Last year at the Specaial Forces Association, Convention, I got the Glock 9mm 19. I’m very happy with this weapen. I also own a 38 weapen that I can’t say that is as on point as the Glock 19. One of my comrades from the SFA chapter told me he was told and read that the springs were being replace on Glock 19 because it was becoming weak after many uses on the range. Is this ture or not?
If your Glock is a Gen4 (it should say so on the barrel) then yes Glock is replacing the recoil springs for free. Check their website.
If it is a Gen 3 then you should replace the recoil spring every 3500-5000 rounds.
no it says it on the slide
ok not to stir stuff or whatever but…………are you…like “all there”?
idk why that 2nd comment posted here. my b
@admin mike. The delta guys were there they gave the credit to the 4th Id and 101st airborne, remember even tho delta is common knowledge it is not officially recognized by the united states government. I deployed with a guy who was part of the perimeter security on that operation.
If themoron George Bush would have shot that gun he’d have swhot himself in the foot, or worse. And i can’t believe anybody believes that BS story about Saddam and the spider hole.
GW was a fine president and commander in chief. I would vote for him again in a heart beat. Much better than this monkey Obama.
The gun is property of the US Gov, to a degree. US laws doesnt allow presidents to keep gifts over $20. What will happen, is the weapon will be put into storage, and probably put on display at the Bush Presidential Library.
You people “REALLY BELIEVE” George Bush or any other president follows or are upheld to public laws concerning stuff like firearms?!? You damn right he took it home, FA and all. I also bet Condolezza has that necklace on her dresser as well. There’s no way in hell Bush would give up a trophy like that. Especially coming from the guy who tried to kill his “DADDY”!!
Wonder how many ATF gave to Mexico??
The fact that you reta
Stupid people dont even talk about the glock 18 and how it’s rare
Ownership: The pistol was probably packed out on a C5A by Army special operators, once in the WH, it was surrounded by SS. It was lawfully shipped and is now in federal custody. I expect that Dubya has enough pull to have it delivered to his library. He might have enough pull to have it delivered to his house, but that would be a silly thing to do.
Full auto pistols: 2nd Amdmt protects weapons that can be borne, i.e. small arms, not crew served weapons. I am personally fine with people owning full auto small arms, like automatic rifles or pistols, but they are kind of in the same grey area where I put hand grenades: they can be borne, but come on.
Just buy airsoft gun , it’s cheaper and easier that way
OR – possible alternative – grow a pair and buy a real firearm, that has some practical use, rather than a toy.
actually guys once a mg always a mg per atf. the frame would have to be destroyed and it looks in pretty good shape to me.
I want one. If only they let people register NFA weapons again, I’d go and buy one. 18C version, of course. Unless they made a version of the 20 that was full auto.
You guys are forgetting the war trophy laws. The language has been changed but it still exists. Just think of ole’ Grandpa bringing home that Jap sword or Nazi piss-pot helmet. You DO have to have some pull to bring a war trophy home nowadays, but it still happens. As for the gun being deactivated, hell yeah it was, are you kidding me?
Oh yeah, btw. I’m an old Jumpin’ Junkie (only the right guys here will know what that is)- let me tell you, I would bleed on our flag if it meant keeping the stripes red, but G.W. Bush is nothing but a traitor and murderer. He, and his entire cabinet should be tried and hung. We are close to 5,000 deaths because of him. In my day, nothing like this would have happened. Commanders in Chief were real men, not war mongering cowards.
Definitely agree with you about G.W., he was a dodge-drafting dud. McCain, on the other hand, seems like a good guy. Served in the Navy Fought in Vietnam, became a POW and got waterboarded and tortured in Hanoi Hilton. Too bad Sarah Failin’ was his running mate, that woman’s a psycho.
And then there’s Obama, the worst thing to happen to this country since 9/11.
Obama is worse then 911 at last that didn’t destroy America .. Romney 2012
My guess is that W requested an Historic Artifact NFA exemption from his Treasury Secretary, and was granted one immediately by BATFE.
Less. Bush was great.. I would vote him in now if I could.. The
White house is in shambles. Our govt. isn’t a govt. Anymore.It’s
more like a chicken and watermelon stand. Monkeys can’t run a
effective govt. What was done to our country is a damn shame.
As for the glock its in the army base in Texas..Saddoms gold guns
And all the cash and gold also. I got pics of all the trophies..enough said.
Delta force did not find Saddam, an e-4 from 4th ID that was on patrol at a farm house is the one that kicked the plywood covering the hole he was hiding in.
couldn´t you modefy a glock 17 so the magazine of a 18 would fit? probably a stupid question but i have no clue of guns, it just appeared logic to me as they are allmost the same…
The extended magazine doesn’t make the gun fire in automatic… you need to either swap out internal components in a G17 for that or buy a G18.
And to answer your question, the extended magazine already fits the G17, G19, and G26 (all the 9mm Glock models) and works perfectly in them without modification.
Thank You! thats was quick..
You can actually own one of these. http://www.nfasales.com/nfaownership.htm
All you need to do it meet your States requirements and fill out an BATF Form 4 and pay the transfer tax ($200).
I suggest an NFA trust. It’s transferable upon death, it’s a one time thing, and it’s easy to add people to the trust when you want someone else to have “ownership” (such as your wife or a child). Generally costs about $150-$200 from a lawyer that has done them before.
Cheers.
This pistol will be displayed in the G.W.Bush Presidential Library and Museum (at SMU in Dallas opening in May) , Case 4.7 in the “Freedom Wall” exhibit. I am advised it was not “de-milled” as it never left government custody (U.S. Army/SF-White House-National Archives and Records Admin) It appears to be a generation 2 version. The gun is the property of the U.S. government per the constitution and several later laws. I will ask if it was shot after capture but I doubt it was ever out of the frame. (yes, I know some of the folks involved)
LOL yes I can have one. I just can’t have one in the US.