Fun And Easy Ways To Take Your Opponent’s Gun

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjCCDXN5Pew[/youtube]

*Insert eye roll here*

Anyone who thinks these would work has been watching too many movies. Unless the person holding the gun to you happened to have the safety on, or didn’t have one in the chamber, then you’re going to get a bullet in you. I’m sure the tactics would work great against something that doesn’t shoot projectiles out at thousands of feet per second… such as a knife.

I can’t find the clip, but all this reminds me of is when Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan are bullshitting in the movie Rush Hour practicing something similar. LOL

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Sarah July 30, 2010 at 12:06 pm

Or you could hope that you are always against someone carrying a Beretta 92…with the disassembly lever set just right…and that you are Jet Li http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adnXzutxWcQ

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Admin (Mike) September 3, 2010 at 08:30 pm

sweet link! thanks Sarah.

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Halo_Storm July 30, 2010 at 12:44 pm

I’m waiting for someone to make one of these videos where they use and airsoft gun or cap gun (slow down footage to see when its shot) and where the attacked isnt so passive about the whole situation and has a good grip on the gun.

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Admin (Mike) September 3, 2010 at 08:31 pm

Yea that’s a damn good idea. I bet a lot of those trainers might change their minds about the effectiveness of some of their techniques.

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Jacob November 15, 2010 at 08:38 am

Me too I used one of theese technicks in paintball and it worked

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DesertDefender July 30, 2010 at 12:45 pm

Did you see that karate chop to the neck towards the end!!!??? This guy is obviously a ninja master and watching his videos will make you just as awesome.

I’d really like to see him try that against someone who isn’t a training dummy and is allowing himself to be manipulated in such ways. I don’t think the tall guy is resisting at all, which he should be, just as a real attacker would be.

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Admin (Mike) September 3, 2010 at 08:32 pm

I agree. In videos like this the “victim” is always passive and basically cooperative. Pretty unrealistic!

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House July 30, 2010 at 02:47 pm

This is an audition tape for “Top Crock” =-)

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Admin (Mike) September 3, 2010 at 08:32 pm

hahha

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SPC Fish July 30, 2010 at 03:23 pm

this stuff does work. its common practice for defensive martial arts. take the level 3 modern army combatives course and you will learn many of the same moves. its all about surprising your attacker. and just because you move doesnt mean a bullet is on the way to your head. many times you can move fast unough that they dont even get a chance to pull the trigger. and if you look close you will see that at the same time he is moving to hit his arm/gun he is also moving his head to the side.

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Paladin July 30, 2010 at 04:51 pm

I can see it working, particularly if the person holding the gun doesn’t think you’re crazy enough to fight back with a gun in your face. I would imagine lots of folks would feel pretty secure about being “in charge” if they had their gun pointed right at someone. However, there’s a reason that you don’t let a potential assailant close a gap between themselves and you, even if you’re pointing a gun at them.

Especially if the gun in question is an uncocked, double action (revolver or pistol). I’d hate to have to try it, but then again I’d hate for someone to shoot me in the noggin’ too :)

Having been bitten by dogs (more times that I like to think about), I can testify that sometimes an animal can close several feet of gap and chomp down on your hand/arm before you can react. Even if you’re ready for it and expecting it to happen. Being REALLY close just works to the unarmed opponents benefit, in this case, as much as it works against the person with the gun.

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Josh July 31, 2010 at 10:07 am

I’d like to see this with a cap gun too; I’m pretty confident that it would show this is effective. You want to see someone resist like a real attacker? Well, you realize that the demonstrator is not utilizing the full strength and violence of action he would in a real situation either. If you’d like to volunteer to resist at full combat strength and speed, I’ll watch that video! I wouldn’t volunteer for it though. We did similar things to this when I was in the Army a few years ago, not to any great extent though. You’ve got to figure the attacker has already had the chance to kill you if that was his intention. At this point, the attacker must want you to comply with some demand, either for money or property or to comply with directions to move somewhere so he can kill you, but he’s not intent on doing it right there. I would think unless he’s already got tension on the trigger and that hammer is about to release, what’s shown here is fast enough that there wouldn’t be time to react. I think even if you absolutely knew it was coming and were expecting it, you’d still have a hard time reacting quickly enough to fire; if you weren’t expecting it, you wouldn’t stand a chance (against someone well-trained, like the demonstrator).

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Bobby Nations July 31, 2010 at 12:50 pm

I’m guessing that if they ran these things at real speed with fingers on triggers, then you would see a lot of broken fingers in short order. And other damage as well. So, I doubt anyone would be fool enough to sign up for the full-on combat drill. At least more than once, that is.

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Glenn B August 1, 2010 at 07:28 pm

I have done similar gun take-aways as some shown in the video with Simunitions type pistols and revolvers. They work, I did not get shot the great majority of the times I tried, I would say 98%. When I did get shot, the shot was either grazing or was to a less important area of my body than my head or center of my chest cavity or other vital area and guess who wound up with the gun in hand – me. So I am going to venture a guess that some of the moves shown in the video might also work. By the way, you do not need to be a martial artist to employ them. Learn them and practice them, then you will probably be able to employ them if needed. I just do not understand why he turns the hand to the outside almost every time since it is much easier to take a gun when you twist the hand to the inside of thee wrist.

When you said this: “Anyone who thinks these would work has been watching too many movies. Unless the person holding the gun to you happened to have the safety on, or didn’t have one in the chamber, then you’re going to get a bullet in you. I’m sure the tactics would work great against something that doesn’t shoot projectiles out at thousands of feet per second… such as a knife.”, did you base it on any training or practical experience or training? I ask this because you seem to totally disregard something that is very important and shown just before each take-away. The person who has the gun pointed at him is almost always unarmed, and has a gun pointed at him at close range (within reach), and is in all likelihood about to be killed or is at the very least at the mercy of the gun holder. Maybe you prefer to remain at the mercy of someone pointing a gun at you like a dirtbag, someone intent on killing you, terrorist, bank robber, kidnapper/hostage taker, guy who wants to sexually assault you or whatever but I hope I would never be so defeatist regarding a threat to my own life without putting up a fight.

You also seem to discount the fact that once you grab a pistol in that fashion you have assured a few of things. First and foremost now instead of being in control, the bad guy has to react to your action. Secondly, you are now in a more defensible position and may well take the gun away (it is not hard to twist a pistol out of someone’s hand and is still possible if held in two hands if you know how and that is surprisingly simple) but even if you do not take it away you now can control where the muzzle is pointed. Third, you almost assure that even if one shot is fired, a second follow up shot with almost all semi-automatic pistols will not be possible unless the bad guy retains control and then properly executes a malfunction drill (if you do not understand why this would be the case you need to find out) and while he is trying to perform said action you have more time to continue your attack and try to get the pistol. Fourth, even a revolver will be almost impossible to fire if someone grabs it around the cylinder – do not try this training with a loaded revolver and do not try other moves with a loaded pistol. If you do try training like this, then I strongly recommend using a non-firing but otherwise functional revolver or pistol and still make sure there is no ammunition in the room. Back to the revolver – no matter how hard you squeeze the trigger, if the cylinder is held in place it will not operate – at least not for me when I tried it with varying models of S&W revolvers and some others I have tried this with. (If you quote me on what I said in the last sentence then make sure to use that whole sentence.)

I have been training in things like this for about 31 years now. I am not a martial artist, not a big strong macho guy, am pretty much an old tired guy ready to retire who is fat and otherwise out of shape but if I thought a guy holding a gun on me was about to shoot me and I saw the opportunity for a take-away I would go with my training and hope for the best. I have not seen enough of merciful armed criminals to do otherwise.

By the way, you are probably, in my estimation, more likely to be seriously wounded by a knife during an attempted take-away even if executed properly than in a gun take-away, but again that is my personal opinion.

All the best,
Glenn B

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John August 3, 2010 at 12:26 pm

How about just standing further back from the person you are pointing the gun at? Yep, I think that pretty much takes care of any unarmed counter.

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Glenn B August 3, 2010 at 08:42 pm

If you are the guy holding a gun on a bad guy, yes you want to be further away than the guys are to one another in the video, but that solves nothing in the context of this video and what it is trying to show.

This was not a video about gun retention by a good guy, this was a video showing what you could do if a bad guy got the drop on you while he had a gun. So standing back further in this case would give him a bit of an advantage and put you – who would be the unarmed person – at a disadvantage. if you are going to try a gun take-away, as in these videos, you need to be close in.

All the best,
GB

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Sarcasticshrub September 22, 2010 at 11:38 am

Reminds me of some training I have had in the past. The thing to remember is action will *always* trump reaction.

Try having a partner hold their ‘finger gun’ at your head and attempt to move your head out of the way and take control of the ‘gun’. You’ll do it almost every time, even when they *know* you are going to move. I’d rather win 90% of the time compared to loosing 100% of the time any day.

Advantage you when surprise / action can turn a no win situation around.

Be safe.

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