Double Barrel 1911

*Gasp* it’s beautiful.  John Moses Browning approved?  Definitely not:

Come for the handgun… stay for the accent.  The only thing more beautiful and outrageous would be a real Double Deagle.

The AF2011-A1 obviously features a number of very special parts, such as the single slide, the single frame, the single spur double hammer, the single grip safety, the single body double mainspring housing and the single double cavity magazine floor plate, the long and double magazine latch, the special barrel bushings and the hold open lever and side lever safety with long shafts: but the most interesting feature of the new pistol which we strived to keep during the development of the project, is the interchangeability of most internal parts, which come as standard 1911 replacement parts. These include the firing pins, the firing pins plates, the sears groups, the triple springs, the inner parts of the mainspring housings, the recoil springs and recoil springs rods, the magazine bodies and inner parts, the sights (including after market adjustable sights) the grips and grips screws and bushings.

I don’t know what I want more… this double 1911 or the double glock I posted about a while back.

Some more pics to drool over:

Thoughts?

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AKMSF March 10, 2012 at 12:46 am

So impractical…SO AWESOME!

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Paul J. March 12, 2012 at 09:48 am

Your comment was A+ on the mark. Hope you don’t mind me using it while I send this website to a few buddies. Thanks.

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battlewagon March 10, 2012 at 12:50 am

pretty fun stuff and I would buy one just for shits and giggles if I could, but I assue it will never show up stateside, seems like it falls under the ATF definition of a machine gun (more than one bullet fired per pull of the trigger) and hence couldn’t be imported.

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NW March 10, 2012 at 01:49 am

Seems to be two triggers.

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bima86 March 10, 2012 at 11:18 am

if you pull only one trigger.. will the slide go all the way back?

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trkklr77 March 10, 2012 at 07:04 pm

since it has only one slide it would be anabsolute waste of ammo to only pull one trigger and fire on eround, the other barrel is going to action reguardless and cycle the non spent/live round out and load a fresh one.

it would only make sence in one trigger fired both rounds regaurdless of which trigger was pulled.

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Vhyrus March 10, 2012 at 07:51 pm

most likely because it has 2 springs roughly twice the slide mass, 1 round going off wouldn’t even cycle the thing. My guess is that both triggers operate 1 sear. That would allow it to be fired one handed from either hand.

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Caleb January 13, 2013 at 10:53 pm

I wondered the same thing, but after close examination, I realized there is only one hammer, albeit long enough to hit both primers; it will hit both primers every time, firing both chambers every time, with which ever trigger.

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PM March 14, 2012 at 09:01 pm

Seems to me if you have “the single spur double hammer”, the single spur means one pull.. Or am I totally off base?

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Josh March 14, 2012 at 09:10 pm

If the fact that there’s only one slide doesn’t settle the issue, a good rear view of the hammer(s) ought to.

http://www.mediafire.com/?qm455ma3p6o92ho

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Ernest Young March 10, 2012 at 09:45 am

I’m pretty sure the ATF dosent care if it’s one one bullet per barrel. I’ve seen a double barrel shotgun before that fired both barrels with one trigger.

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Azrial March 13, 2012 at 08:28 pm

Actually, the ATF definition of a machine gun is more then 2 rounds fired by a single action of the trigger. This was done to accommodate old single trigger double barrel shotguns. So this feature would not make the pistol un-importable.

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Josh March 14, 2012 at 07:44 pm

Actually, the ATF definition of a machine gun is more then[sic] 2 rounds fired by a single action of the trigger.

To borrow a quote from Kenny Powers, “I’m about to fuck you up with some truth.”

ACTUALLY, a machinegun is defined:

The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

26 U.S.C. §5845(b)

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Adam March 14, 2012 at 10:24 pm

Dude, you just made my day with your quote. Hahahaha.

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TXGunGeek March 10, 2012 at 05:19 am

I think STI has an actionable cause. since they already own teh 2011 model firearm and have for quite some time.

Sorry, I am a 1911 guy from way back and that’s just plain stupid.

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Karen March 14, 2012 at 11:29 am

Right on Texas! As an Elektra and Shadow owner for my CH, I’m with you all the way!

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Komodo Saurian March 10, 2012 at 05:45 am

Now go akimbo with two of those.

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mpavlakes March 10, 2012 at 07:07 am

The siamese 1911! It’s a great piece of gunsmithing but I don’t think it would be practical for anything but the movies.

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Flynn Castle March 10, 2012 at 07:42 am

A cool novelty, but it loses the thin profile and grip that I like about the 1911. Great for collectors, but I wouldn’t carry it.

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John March 10, 2012 at 07:59 am

I want to see the internals. Two mainsprings? Two sears? What happens when (not if) there’s a mechanical failure in one of the fire control parts for one half, but not the other?

That said, if the internals are ok, think how awesome this would be for USPSA. “Engage T1-T8 with two rounds each.” Bam, 8 sight pictures instead of 16! OTOH, it would make certain classifiers (such as Melody Line) that specify one-round-each, reload, one-round-each (and Virginia count) a bit tricky …

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Sebastian March 10, 2012 at 01:39 pm

I got it in my hands today. Two mainsprings, one sear. Only the right trigger had a function.
It’s hard to cock due to the two springs. Feed weird but surprisingly easy to grab.

Pictures:
http://imageshack.us/g/585/img20120310162620.jpg/

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Ernest Young March 10, 2012 at 01:57 pm

So the left trigger is just for show?

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Sebastian March 10, 2012 at 03:07 pm

Apparently you can order the gun with a independent double trigger and a single trigger. It seemed the displayed model models only had the single trigger or I didn’t press the grip safety completely.

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aladdinsane March 11, 2012 at 12:45 am

How much does this Arsenal Fireams Double Barrelled 1911 cost?

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Ironmen15 March 11, 2014 at 10:04 pm

Over $4,000

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sandie March 14, 2012 at 02:13 am

Where Can i BUY Thiss!!! Please Let me noo!!!

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ROn March 10, 2012 at 10:40 pm

While it would be fun for giggles I think it would be decided that it violates 5.1.11

I know, I”m a spoilsport, but I am a CRO I’m supposed to be :-)

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JonMac March 10, 2012 at 08:06 am

Insanity, pure and simple.

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bima86 March 10, 2012 at 08:35 am

I WANT THIS.. FOR REASONS !! :D

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Ben Branam March 10, 2012 at 08:46 am

Can I use it in IDPA? I just want one for fun.

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dave w March 10, 2012 at 09:03 am

It so bizarre its awesome, but i wonder how it works in states with magazine restrictions. Could you get away with 10 per side or is it 10 rounds regardless ?

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Robb Allen March 10, 2012 at 09:04 am

STOP IT. Please. My God I do not WANT to like this but I can’t seem to not go “It’s stupid, it’s over the top, and dammit I want one”.

Although yes, I’d bet the ATF would write you a letter claiming it’s perfectly legal since it has two separate triggers and then arrest you the first time you pulled the trigger because it’s a machine gun. They’re like that.

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Dom March 10, 2012 at 11:56 am

LOL!!!!

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McThag March 10, 2012 at 06:24 pm

I think the two trigger argument is out because of the single hammer.

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monty March 10, 2012 at 09:08 am

Silly!

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jpcmt March 10, 2012 at 09:52 am
Bryan March 10, 2012 at 10:07 am

Might take two people to rack that slide

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Vhyrus March 10, 2012 at 12:21 pm

That looks like something the Joker would pull against Michael Keaton. I LOVE IT.

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Adam Jensen March 10, 2012 at 12:51 pm

There is a potential design flaw that is staring me in the face with this pistol.

Notice how they had to shave off a bit of each of the 2 barrel bushings for disassembly convenience. My primary concern is the possibility of reduced overall toughness of the barrel bushings due to the removed material, which leaves open the possibility that the barrel bushings will break due to the force of the slide going back into battery, leading to catastrophic failure of the weapon. Anyone else who can pitch into this?

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Vhyrus March 10, 2012 at 02:22 pm

I don’t know a whole lot about the 1911 platform, but I can tell you as an engineer if these guys are worth anything as designers they ran all their modifications through FEA (Finite Element Analysis) software to compare potential stress concentrations against estimated force loadings. There is a good chance that the high cycle lifespan of the bushings have been decreased significantly, but even so they are probably still good for 10,000 or more firings, which is more than acceptable for an easily replaceable part like that. I would not worry too much about a fast fracture failure of that part within the first few hundred rounds, but after a few years of owning and shooting it I would probably check for cracks on the bushing and replace as necessary. You have to remember that 100 years ago they didn’t have understanding of fatigue failure, nor did they have load analysis software to check their safety factors and tolerances. A lot of the stuff invented around the turn of the century is vastly over engineered as a result.

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Josh March 10, 2012 at 01:17 pm

That’s pretty absurd. It’s also pretty cool. Not because it’s practical or useful/helpful, but just because it’s kind of unique.

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Prime20 March 10, 2012 at 02:53 pm

WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE!

Still if the price is right i’d get one.

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bigghoss March 10, 2012 at 03:07 pm

That is fucking retarded and I want it!

I’m not sure why they went with a bushing design. If only one trigger fires both barrels then I think that would make it illegal in the states. Also since you are doubling the weight of the projectiles as well as the charge you’re actually getting 4x the recoil, but it appears to be manageable.

I bet Bruce Willis in Last Man Standing wished he had these
http://www.schlockmania.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/LMS-01.jpg

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Josh March 10, 2012 at 05:56 pm

Also since you are doubling the weight of the projectiles as well as the charge you’re actually getting 4x the recoil

I’m going to have to disagree with that.

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Mike March 10, 2012 at 07:10 pm

I think what he’s saying is that if one round was live and the other had a bullet but no powder, you’d only get 3x the recoil. :-D

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Vhyrus March 10, 2012 at 07:47 pm

You would be right to disagree, since there is roughly twice the slide mass and twice the spring force opposing the motion of the slide, it would be at most slightly more than double the recoil (triple recoil max, that pushing it).

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Josh March 10, 2012 at 08:24 pm

You would be right to disagree, since there is roughly twice the slide mass and twice the spring force opposing the motion of the slide, it would be at most slightly more than double the recoil (triple recoil max, that pushing it).

No, the reason I disagree is because I think he’s misunderstanding the force equation, f=½mv². If we want to be technical about it, we’re not concerned with the “weight” of the bullet(s), we’re concerned with the mass. That being said, doubling the mass only doubles the force; doubling the velocity, on the other hand, would quadruple the force.

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Josh March 10, 2012 at 10:46 pm

Reading this again I realized I misspoke. It’s energy rather than force. Other than the terminology, I stand behind the argument.

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Greekfreak March 10, 2012 at 03:32 pm

Mother of God

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derek March 10, 2012 at 05:28 pm

Looks to me like a variation of the gun in the French film “La Femme Nikita”.

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Mike March 10, 2012 at 06:45 pm

Sooo, what happens if you have a hang-fire in one barrel? :-D

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Gregory Markle March 10, 2012 at 10:50 pm

That was one of my first thoughts on this beast.

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Dont do it! March 10, 2012 at 11:24 pm

As Mike mentioned above, this is a very dangerous design. All it would take is a slightly delayed ignition of one of the primers or charge, and there is potential for a disastrous unlocked breach detonation of a non fully chambered round. Look at the results of all the Glock KB’s.

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hnl.flyboy March 10, 2012 at 07:23 pm

:-O!!!

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Mike March 10, 2012 at 08:44 pm

Only 8 rounds per side? I’ll hold out for the Hulk branded double double-stack version.

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A2 March 10, 2012 at 10:04 pm

Instead of Form Following Function, it’s kind of like Form and Function having some beers, taking an old truck out to a field and doing donuts.

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Bobcat March 13, 2012 at 10:47 am

I intend to send you the laundry bill for the shirt that was just destroyed as coffee came spewing out my nose. Not to mention the medical bill for having burn slave squeegeed into my sinuses!

Thanks for the laugh. I wonder if they got the idea from This Gun

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ENDO-Mike March 13, 2012 at 01:00 pm
jerry March 10, 2012 at 10:11 pm

Practicality aside, would it effectively deter a pants-on-the-ground gansta or a midnight visitor when he has barrel about 4″ up each nostril? Shoving this in someone’s face would remind me of what Jimmy Stewart said in the movie, “How The West Was Won” concerning a particular girl. “Eve, you are like meeting a bear on a the side of a mountain with a sheer cliff on one side and a wall on the other. There just ain’t any ignoring the situation.”

This is a weapon that eliminates the need to ever be fired!

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ashby koss March 12, 2012 at 10:48 am

+1 Pistol Whip FTW.

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ibjj March 10, 2012 at 11:01 pm

Can I have one in “Double-Action”???
…J J

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Jim P. March 11, 2012 at 10:06 am

The AF2011-A1 (“Twenty Eleven” for aficionados) can be ordered either with 2 independent triggers and one sear group (left or right, with user-interchangeability for right or left operations) or with 2 triggers permanently joined and the choice of 1 or 2 sear groups. The AF2011-A1 is available in mirror finish Deep Blue or with a 3400 Vickers surface hardness White Ash Nitrite coating.

But I’d still like to see a double barreled pump shotgun.

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Michael Z. Williamson March 11, 2012 at 10:20 pm

Those have been done. Remington 870 siamese.

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Jody Daniel March 11, 2012 at 11:49 am

Very nice bit of engineering you have there. Hat’s off to you for a great job!

Now for the double AR-15?

Really you product is very impressive…

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Michael Z. Williamson March 11, 2012 at 10:21 pm

Tromix makes a double AR.

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Jimbo March 11, 2012 at 01:15 pm

Criticising this is like criticising the bat-mobile because it’s hard to parallel park.

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Austin March 11, 2012 at 01:18 pm

If it’s 100% made in italy, wouldn’t it fall under the same category as a Franchi SPAS-12? I doubt there would be an american company that would be willing to replace parts to comply with american firearm trade laws. It wouldn’t be profitable enough.

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Michael Z. Williamson March 11, 2012 at 10:21 pm

Italian guns are imported all the time. What do you think the problem is?

Are you assuming it doesn’t fit a sporting clause? I don’t see why it wouldn’t.

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haywood214 March 11, 2012 at 02:09 pm

2 triggers for 2 niggers!

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Vhyrus March 11, 2012 at 02:39 pm

Oh my god, a real live racist! I’ve heard so much about you guys! I have so many questions. Is it true what they say about your scaly skin? Do you have to use like special lotion on it or something? That must be so frustrating. What about your eyes not pointing in the same direction? How can you even see like that? Reading must be terribly hard for you. Oh, and your feet don’t have toes, right? Does that make it hard to buy shoes? Do you have to buy special socks or something? Wow I am soo excited… can I see a picture of you? I mean all I’ve ever seen are drawings. I can’t WAIT!

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Wallruss March 11, 2012 at 06:24 pm

LOL

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ERIK DOSS March 11, 2012 at 09:20 pm

YEA!

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Tom March 11, 2012 at 04:07 pm

Where do I buy one? Are they for sale yet?

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aladdinsane March 11, 2012 at 04:30 pm

What does this beast cost?

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aladdinsane March 11, 2012 at 04:31 pm

What is the suggested retail price of this beast?

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Josh March 11, 2012 at 04:56 pm

For how many dollars can this be purchased? (I don’t really care, I just wanted to jump on the bandwagon of repeatedly asking the same question.)

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aladdinsane March 11, 2012 at 05:21 pm

I don’t wish to be repetitive . Sebastian claims to have acquired one. I just want to know what the price is. I can’t even get the Arsenal Fireams web site to open and i don’t have alist of US dealers.

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Josh March 11, 2012 at 05:26 pm

I just happened to look at my phone a while ago and the three new emails on the account linked to here were people asking about buying one; two of the comments yours – one posted one minute after the other. I see you also asked the question about the price earlier today. I wanted to get in on this theme while it’s still hot.

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Sebastian March 11, 2012 at 06:14 pm

@aladdinsane: I did not claim to have aquired one. I was at IWA (same as SHOT Show) at the Arsenal booth.
I don’t know the suggested retail price on that gun.

I was at the booth again today. The rep didn’t or couln’t comment what happens on an hangfire.
That gun was revealed at IWA there are no dealers yet. I’m sure this will change in the next months if you can get this pistol imported.
The slide is extremely hard to rack when the hammer id down.
The trigger can be ordered with both triggers functioning as well as either side.
It was surprinsingly easy and comfortable to hold even with just one hand. Pressing the grip safety was a bit of an issue but training will fix that.

It’s an interesting piece sure but it’s nothing I would buy. I find their Strike One pistol they revealed there as well much more interesting. Assuming the price is competitive and it’s reliable this is an amazing pistol. Height over bore, nothing will match it. Available with polemer and steel frame (would be perfect for competition) with full lenght rails. Amazing stock trigger compared to M&P / Glock
The action is an inline design, using longer barrels / silencers w/o Nielsen device is no problem.
The trigger got an internal safety, the trigger got some kind of caming action the blocks the trigger when you press it at the top. Basically like an M&P but not with the split trigger, the surface is smooth the safety is internal.

Pictures:
http://imageshack.us/g/703/img20120310162609.jpg/

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Tom March 11, 2012 at 06:23 pm

This will be considered a class 3

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Sebastian March 11, 2012 at 06:39 pm

Even if it is it’s possible they could get an sporting use exception. The 950 JDJ rifle for example would otherwise be an destructive device.

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ERIK DOSS March 11, 2012 at 09:19 pm

IT’LL SHOOT ITSELF TO PIECES

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CM Galbraith March 12, 2012 at 12:46 am

This takes the term double tap to a whole new level.

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DocN March 12, 2012 at 01:02 am

Wait, independent triggers and/or hammers is an option? Why? If the hammers are linked- they are, in fact, one solid piece- and the slide is a single unit, then firing either side will force both sides to function. If both are loaded, firing just one will at best eject a live round, at worst- and more likely- will miseject and jam.

If only one side’s loaded, again, it’d likely misfeed, and nothing is saved by having the empty side not cycle the hammer.

The rest of the gun is clever, remarkably well made and looks cool as hell, but if somebody is actually offering independent triggers, I’d say the marketing and PR group isn’t listening to the designers and builders.

But in any case, I can’t wait to see this in an action movie. :D

Doc.

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Bob Dixon March 13, 2012 at 08:22 am

How much does it cost?? Is it a frickin secret or something?I don’t see a price anywhere.

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SmithWinston6478 March 13, 2012 at 09:22 am

Remember guys… no one named Dixon is allowed to know the price.

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Ironmen15 March 11, 2014 at 10:01 pm

It cost a little over $4,000

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Mike March 13, 2012 at 09:27 am

So, where can I buy one? :-)

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Jacqueline March 13, 2012 at 10:03 am

I will fly half over and mail the rest but I gotta have it!!!!!!! 2 or 12 gs where do I get on the waiting list.

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Angela Doherty March 13, 2012 at 11:35 am

Love it but what is the price?????

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jim t March 13, 2012 at 08:18 pm

what is the price

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Punish3r March 14, 2012 at 01:20 am

I want this..

…that is all!

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walter buckley March 14, 2012 at 06:38 pm

I want a couple.

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SFM-201 March 15, 2012 at 09:48 am

Is it on the market if so whats the cost

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SFM-207 March 15, 2012 at 09:50 am

Nice can you imagine what that would do?
Whats the cost?

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Butane March 15, 2012 at 08:21 pm

I am a gun nut, and love new ideas, but there is some stuff that just didn’t need to be thought up.
And I’ll bet if you try to fire just one barrel, the slide won’t cycle properly, and you’ll have a double malfunction to clear.

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Josh March 15, 2012 at 09:18 pm

The only way to fire only one barrel would be to only load one barrel. That would have to make you wonder though – would one round have enough recoil to cycle that double slide?

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Anonymouse June 6, 2012 at 10:35 pm

What’s the point of loading one side, when you can just purchase a regular pistol?

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Fred March 16, 2012 at 09:42 pm

What about comparing a 4-barrel .45ACP? How many rounds of .22LR would you have to shoot in 30 seconds? Is that kind of comparison meaningful? :) I think not. WONDERFUL presentation and video though!

Josh, I think Butane’s point is that if you pull the *2* triggers on the *1* slide, and one round fails-to-load or misfires or fails-to-eject, then you will have a double malfunction to clear. This is more like a modern curio novelty…

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Butane March 17, 2012 at 06:24 am

Fred, that was exactly my point. You have a two barrelled gun, and if either one of them doesn’t fire, or jams, you have a no-barrelled gun. You’ve got 16 shots, but only 8 trigger pulls. I doubt that two shots at once increases your chance of hitting anything. It is a nice piece of gunsmithing though, and something everybody should rent for 15 minutes.

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Josh March 17, 2012 at 02:27 pm

Fred, that was exactly my point. You have a two barrelled gun, and if either one of them doesn’t fire, or jams…

I was thrown off by the statement, “…I’ll bet if you try to fire just one barrel…” I mistakenly thought that meant that you were talking about trying to fire one barrel, as opposed to an unforeseen malfunction causing one barrel not to fire.

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kelso July 26, 2012 at 05:39 pm

You & butane were both talking about firing one barrell.

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Matchlock October 10, 2012 at 01:55 pm

I like your style, it is indeed a nice bit of smithing, but practical? I don’t think so.

Cheers

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Robbie August 3, 2012 at 07:07 am

You can’t fire just one barrel. There’s only one hammer so no matter which trigger you pull both barrels are firing.

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Andrew September 30, 2012 at 08:24 am

Duh its not a practical weapon it an idea something to have fun with like when people make single shot 50bmg pistols they for fun not practicality

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Mike March 16, 2012 at 07:25 am

This is an awesome piece even if it doesn’t appear to be practical to carry. I doubt if it would fit my hand comfortably but the owner would definitely attract attention at the range!

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George Pretty March 16, 2012 at 10:11 am

What’s the COST, and the availability?

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PPMStudios March 16, 2012 at 11:57 am

Gives a whole new meaning to “Double-Tap”.

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Wayne-o March 16, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Bravissimo! I love it!!

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Justwiz March 16, 2012 at 08:29 pm

All I want to know is ………. How much????

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kelso July 26, 2012 at 05:53 pm

Just read the article today in handgun magizine & they did not mention price.
Did not mention using one trigger, one barrell, or if it would cycle if firing
one side at a time. One person said, on the forum here , Quote- it won’t be accurate
with both bullets fying side by side. Gun article said, Quote, 2 in. group at 15 yds..
And accurate to 25 yards.

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Colloc March 17, 2012 at 01:36 pm

I like it but firing two .45 caliber slugs at once would give you one whale of a recoil. Beautiful gun though.

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mwood March 17, 2012 at 04:37 pm

if you can shoot you wont need two barrels

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Jim P. March 17, 2012 at 05:42 pm

What if you’re in a target rich environment? ;-)

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Butane March 17, 2012 at 06:42 pm

Then the targets better be standing very very close together.

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Josh March 17, 2012 at 06:46 pm

No, if you’re in a target rich environment you grab a microphone and bust out “You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling.”

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kelso July 26, 2012 at 05:27 pm

Does’nt meen anyone can not shoot if they want to purchase one of these handguns.

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Jimbo March 17, 2012 at 07:40 pm

Its for zombie killing…. obviously….

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whitehorse44 March 18, 2012 at 07:51 pm

Would love to see the look on the faces of a gang when you take the leader OUT with this one !!!!!!

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Larry L. Pace March 19, 2012 at 09:09 pm

Where can one purchase and what is the cost &.

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Gregory Markle March 19, 2012 at 09:18 pm

I’m going to unsubscribe to this post because the e-mails are getting annoying.

If there is no price on the website, no price in the article, and ten other guys have asked about the price and have not gotten an answer…chances are it’s because nobody knows.

This are prototypes and it is NOT available yet. I’m sure there will be another post if/when they become available.

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raygun March 20, 2012 at 06:44 pm

Yet another entirely useless piece of equipment.
an ingenious work of art however ! for collectors only.

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Notch March 20, 2012 at 08:59 pm

The most important questions here are, how much , how long to get it, and is it legal in the states?….as a serious collector I need this in my vault…..RLTW

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GALLAGER March 21, 2012 at 07:50 am

WHAT IS THE PRICE, WEIGHT MEASUREMENTS WIDTH, HEIGHT & DEPHT? WHO MAKES A HOLSTER FOR THIS GUN TO BE CARRY AS A CONCEALED WEAPON WEAPON ?

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Andy March 21, 2012 at 02:46 pm

This gun will not be available to the general public because it is technically a machine gun. It is basically a 2 round burst. 2 bullets for 1 trigger pull.

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Jw May 8, 2012 at 08:52 pm

“not a machine gun” does not “reload” and fire with one trigger pull, when the action cycles and picks up next rounds trigger has to be released and reset to fire again, grey area in the multiple projectile area but not a machine gun

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TW May 23, 2012 at 04:57 pm

It’s not technically a machine gun, it is legally a machine gun as defined by the ATF.

Section 5845(b) of the NFA defines “machinegun” as “any
weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot,
automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the
trigger.

Two rounds fired by a single trigger pull may not be a very impressive machine gun, but since two is more than one, it fits the category.

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Quint Young May 23, 2012 at 04:59 pm

There are exceptions to double barred guns. There are some European SxS shotguns that fire both barrels with the pull of a single trigger. These are legal and not considered machine guns, therefore this would also not be a machine gun.

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TW May 23, 2012 at 05:10 pm

No there are not any exceptions for double barreled guns, I invite you to research ATF and the NFA to find any such thing.

I’d also suggest you research the side by side shotgun you’re describing as I suspect you’ve confused a single trigger double barrel with it firing both barrels at once. An SST (single selective trigger) fires one barrel and then resets for the other, not both at once.

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kelso July 26, 2012 at 06:05 pm

Way off on the category. Machine gun – fully auto firearm.
Simi-auto pistol,rifle,shotgun is not a machine gun.

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TW August 3, 2012 at 11:17 am

I don’t think you and a lot of people here understand that it’s not what YOU think a “machine gun” is that count’s, it’s what the BATF defines it.

Factually, as I quoted, a machine gun is legally defined as ” firing more than one shot” per single pull of the trigger. Not “more than two”, not “fully auto”…just more than one.

This isn’t an opinion, it’s actually in writing in very clear english.

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milwaukegregg March 22, 2012 at 09:21 pm

Have 2 xwives u do the math!!!!

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Arthur March 22, 2012 at 11:11 pm

It seems very impractical. A .460 Linebaugh or .500 S&W would give you equivolent ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle and have more controlable recoil. It would look good in my collection, though.

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tredd morris March 23, 2012 at 06:30 am

Impressed will have to try

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Artilau March 23, 2012 at 07:33 am

Simplesmente magnifica.

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Larry March 25, 2012 at 05:54 pm

Why would you want to shoot only one barrel at a time, not made for that. DA!!

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Leal March 25, 2012 at 10:29 pm

A lógica melhor dessa arma é atirar como se tivesse duas armas. Acabou a munição de uma entra o funcionamento da outra.

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Del Angelo March 26, 2012 at 10:21 pm

This is a wonderful piece of art…my next concealed carry! Every Italian should own one. I want mine in stainless..with Trijicon sights.

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Marc March 27, 2012 at 01:30 pm

It will show up in Hollywood in the next macho, lone wolf, unregulated, obnoxious police good guy, bad attitude, lovable but dangerous hero movie.

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CHARLIE March 29, 2012 at 12:44 pm

outstanding…………

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Blaine April 17, 2012 at 07:34 am

No need to double tap!

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yotehunter April 21, 2012 at 10:57 am

I love how all the “”when will it be available”” and “”how much””” is the price tag gona be questions are avoided like the plague :p

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Butane April 21, 2012 at 01:51 pm

Any fool can ask a question that nobody knows the answer to. After four or five people ask, why don’t the rest pick up on it, and quit asking? Or, better yet, do a little googling, and find out.

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Lindele September 5, 2012 at 06:38 pm

don’t worry the liberals wont allow us to have them

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Robert April 23, 2012 at 01:15 pm

I don’t like it. If you need two barrels to hit your target then you should not have a handgun in your hand. Me, I only need one M1911 firing a controlled pair to stop an intruder in my home.

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Deja vu April 27, 2012 at 09:21 am

is it practical? NO

If all I ever bought was practical guns I would only have 3 guns. I like it because it is different. I would not carry it but it would be a fun range toy.

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Jw May 8, 2012 at 08:48 pm

It would not be technically a machine gun since it is not reloading and firing with the same trigger pull, when the action cycles and then picks up the next rounds the trigger has to be released to reset and then pulled again, it’s a two barreled gun that shoots two projectiles and not a “burst” it’s a grey area in the definition of machine gun but it isn’t a machine gun

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aladdinsane May 9, 2012 at 09:51 pm

JW is correct from a legal standpoint. That does not mean that the Department of Justice, BATF or individual states might not take action to prevent the entry or sale of this interesting gun, or to seize them after they have been sold and delivered to gun dealers or private gun owners. But that is true of many new and innovative firearms…..and old ones like the M1. The anti-gun lobby and their friends will always do anything and everything they can do to complicate, obstruct or eliminate our 2nd Amendment rights. Join the NRA and back pro-gun candidates at every level of government with your money and your votes!

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Jess May 11, 2012 at 12:11 pm

Would never own one nor see the point. Just another gimmick.

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john May 28, 2012 at 08:20 pm

if you pull one trigger both barrels fire they also make a single trigger to put on it

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BuffaloSoldier July 12, 2012 at 11:46 am

Lets talk bottom line! How good at what price.

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Dennis Putnam July 14, 2012 at 01:59 am

Looks like a good gun for putting a reverse cone compensator. Or should I say two? I can’t for the life of me why anyone would want one except that one word “WANT” I must admit, I would like to shoot one and if it functioned well and didn’t cost an arm and a leg, I would get one just to say “Look what I got”.

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Spritecan313 September 5, 2012 at 12:47 pm

People. If you like 1911’s as much as I do. This has to nake your mouth water. Who cares about all the tech BS. Its double barrell 45!!!! Who would’t want 1????

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doug September 5, 2012 at 04:30 pm

i think it is sweet just sayin……….. i want one

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Lindele September 5, 2012 at 06:34 pm

WOW an even better way to waste ammo, double barrel shotguns are more acurate, and the ammo is cheaper

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Lindele September 5, 2012 at 06:36 pm

i do like it just, sayin

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ga fraser October 2, 2012 at 07:57 pm

Like the weapon .how much dose it cost in dollars?.

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william sanders December 1, 2012 at 09:01 pm

The gun is legal , ATF approved and tested and will go on sale next month . I was called by the company importing them as I had left a message as to the price . That is the BAD PART $4.300 msrp.!!!! He said it cost a bundle for the engineering and its ok if you can’t afford it (grrrrrr, snob reply I hated ), weighs 3 lbs loaded . Can Put both barrels in an orange at 35 yards and is engineered to last five times longer than a 1911. He said the ATF said it was the finest made semi they ever tested and they fired over 600 rounds with no jams. . I think the price is about $1,000 to much . People can sneer all they want I WANT ONE but hope the price comes down . Can you imagine two mag safe rounds each at over 2000 fps on impact , at once , to a bad guy !!!! He said any rounds will work but best to keep the same weight in each barrel at the same time .

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ken January 9, 2013 at 04:46 pm

1 MILLION DOLLARS

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BBmG January 18, 2013 at 05:14 am

Why duel wield when you can quadrupedal wield???

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Ironmen15 March 11, 2014 at 10:03 pm

To answer everyone’s question, the cost is a little over $4,000

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Kevin March 27, 2014 at 09:55 pm

This is awesome for the zombie apocalypse, or really just walking around my neighborhood. Since I carried a 1911 when I was serving and had a 1991 after I got out, I’m familiar with the teardown, I’d take two and never get messed with by cluckers again.

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