FPSRussia Shits On Open Carry

Very beneficial info for pre-teen cowwadoody crowd that watches his videos:

1:00 – If you’re open carrying you’re trying to be an asshole to show everyone that you have a gun.

This has been beaten to death so many times, thank god FPSRussia put in his 2 cents… I always wondered what his thoughts were. From this point forward I’ll sleep like a newborn.

Thoughts?

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markofafreeman October 3, 2012 at 12:50 am

Not as bad as I thought it was going to be when I saw the title. He was at least acknowledging that there was another possibility other than being an asshole. I do think he’s neglecting the possible *positive* outcome of carrying to help desensitize people to the sight of guns. Every time someone has said something about it to me, it’s been either positive, neutral, or they were convinced once they started talking to me that I wasn’t out to cause trouble and they at least weren’t hostile to the idea. Mission accomplished.

He acknowledges that the other possibility is that you’re just trying to protect yourself and then he expressed his opinion on whether or not is a good idea in terms of either getting subdued by a thug or the quickness of the draw. He didn’t go on for a ridiculously long insult to those who open carry like Buck “I put cameramen in mortal danger of being shot” Yeager, Pincus and company, but he just presented some things to think about. I think he’s wrong, but that’s my opinion. The key point being that he didn’t present anything in the area of ‘data’ that would prove his point.

The dickhead duo can suck it, as every video they put out against OC is one long intentional insult, notwithstanding their whines to the contrary. They piss down our backs and tell us it’s raining. FPSRussian, on the other hand, I could probably have a lively debate with and maybe even coming away from it in violent agreement.

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Akston October 3, 2012 at 12:54 am

Why are people still talking about this douchebag? Who the hell cares what he has to say? If we ignore him, eventually he’ll go away.

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Cody Thornhill October 3, 2012 at 12:54 am

I think there is pro and cons to each style of carry. With open carry i believe its a deterrent to crime. Not so much that the criminal sees YOU in particular, but that he/she knows that this place of business/town is known for its citizens carrying. Preventing crime from happening. But if you are more into carrying for just-in-case, or you aren’t in a place known to be open carry friendly, concealed carry would be more appropriate. Either way im in California and open carry is illegal and a concealed carry permit is difficult to get.

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Bull October 3, 2012 at 03:23 am

and i guess open carry with a rifle is a bit too much?

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Brandon October 3, 2012 at 03:38 am

Let’s just pray the criminal has an intervention and doesn’t just go find somewhere else where no one has a gun.

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MrMaigo October 3, 2012 at 01:39 am

bored to tears in 18 seconds

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matt October 3, 2012 at 02:54 am

“If you’re open carrying you’re trying to be an asshole to show everyone that you have a gun.”

Sort of like pretending to be a Russian? And if you’re gona do a video about OC, wouldnt it be a good idea to use a better holster than one with level 1 retention? And how many people actually CC a 1911? I know you technically can, but really, how many people do that compared to a sub-compact or pocket pistol?

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D Larsen October 3, 2012 at 03:20 am

If I saw someone open carrying and they weren’t in uniform I’d shoot on sight. Those douchefucks are mentally unstable and are just trying to act hard by displaying their gun.they just want attention and love causing a scene plus they relish the opportunity to sue the city so we the taxpayer have to finance their fetish for anarchy.

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matt October 3, 2012 at 03:24 am

youre trying to hard

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Croppedxout October 3, 2012 at 07:14 am

“if I saw someone open carrying and they weren’t in uniform I’d shoot on sight”… No you wouldn’t.

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PJ October 3, 2012 at 11:00 am

He might. Once. The police and judicial system tend to frown on shooting people unprovoked in the street. And yes them simply having a gun is unprovoked, especially if OC is legal.

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ZBalentine October 3, 2012 at 08:32 am

Holy trollbait batman!

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markofafreeman October 3, 2012 at 09:12 am

Of course, the criminal element such as D Larsen are a concern, but a minor one as they are probably lousy shots and can be dispatched quite easily.

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Saxon October 3, 2012 at 08:32 pm

D Larsen, Are you serial? please write jk if you are not.

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N703 October 3, 2012 at 04:43 am

If you want to OC and it’s legal where you live, that’s your prerogitive. I’d rather carry concealed as I’d rather people not know I was carrying.

In my opinion, OC makes you a target. Cops will eye you suspiciously, and maybe approach you because they may feel like they’re the only ones with a right to carry guns openly (it’s happened), or even a drunk who thinks it might be funny to grab the gun out of your holster while you’re looking away (again, it’s happened.)

I’d hope that somebody who wanted to OC would have the good sense to carry it in at least a Level 2 holster, but unfortunately there are too many uber-tactical ninjas out there that would rather show off their Raven Concealment holster they waited 8 months for.

I do like the idea of desensitizing people to the sight of guns, and it may possibly prevent a crime as some douchebag thinking about knocking over a gas station might think twice if they see somebody OC. However, they’re most likely carrying concealed and might just have the drop on the guy they see with the gun in his holster.

Like I said before, do it if you want. There are documented cases of people going for guns that are being openly carried so be prepared to fight like a mofo if that happens.

I’ll just stick to being the grey man.

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Linoge October 3, 2012 at 05:33 am

Wait, I should care what that narcissistic, idiotic, patently unsafe pretender thinks about how I carry a gun?

*tries*

*tries again*

Yeah, it is just not happening.

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markofafreeman October 3, 2012 at 09:21 am

Yeah, I was probably too kind. Still, he comes across almost as comic, so its hard to take him seriously regarding *anything*. He never really had any credibility to begin with. He’s just a comedian working without a net and without stuntmen and will probably get himself or his cameraman killed one day.

Though I didn’t know them by name until recently, the dynamic douchebag duo Pincus and Yeager were at least respected for their instruction, if I’m not mistaken. They squandered that by pontificating about how others should live their lives. Tragic.

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Diarrhea cha cha cha October 3, 2012 at 06:22 am

Anyone who buys that fagpul championed raven gear is a raging faggot who does more dress up and pretend and less range and trigger time.

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Jon Hutto October 3, 2012 at 06:33 am

There are instances where open carry just makes more since.

Me and friends are going out to his land to shoot, why do I need to conceal for an hour getting there and getting back and eating at a restaurant when I’m going open for the several hours I’m there? That is just stupid.

I can honestly think of a dozen other reasons. The point is, conceal or open should not be up to some panel, or group, or government. It should be up to the person and where they are going.

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lucusloc October 3, 2012 at 07:50 am

i am so tired of people knocking OC. i see all the people, even here, who do not OC pontificating about what is wrong with OC and why its worse than CC. i OC and CC, depending on what situation i am in. honestly i don’t see it as OC vs. CC, i just see it as carry, however is appropriate and convenient. OC is convenient and easy. all i have to do is strap my holster yo my belt and i can walk out the door. i dont have to undo my belt, or take off my shirt, or roll up my pant leg or whatever else i have to do when i CC. CC takes a little planning, from what i am going to wear to how i carry the gun. OC requires non of that.

and you know what? CC has its hypothetical disadvantages as well. say you CC and some ass decides he is going to rob the store your in? now you have to get your gun out from concealment, and he may just shoot you while your trying to do that. its possible. its also possible that he would have decided to move on if he had seen you OCing. point is CC could kill you just as easily as OC, it just depends on the hypothetical situation you want to concoct.

honestly how you carry is 100% irrelevant. no joke, absolutely 100%. depending on how the situation goes down CC could get you killed when OC wouldn’t have and vice versa. its a crap shoot, and how much you pay attention to your surroundings is infinitely more important than your mode of carry.

argh, i cant even formulate my thoughts correctly, its late and im tired. the lists of pros and cons have been made before, just as they have been for glock vs 1911 and 9mm vs 45. its the exact same damn argument. do us all a favor and don’t pontificate on why OC is bad unless you have done it regularly yourself and decided you don’t like it. and even then relies it’s a personal decision, and unique to you. i dont like glocks, they don’t fit my hand right. that does not mean that they are bad, or worse than a 1911 (which incidentally i also do not like for the same reason), it just means they don’t really work well for me. and because i don’t use either of those two platforms i cannot really give anyone sound advice concerning either, *so i don’t.* all i can tell people is the reason i don’t like them, and i don’t offer any more comment about it. ask me about sigs and hks and i can give you a boatload of data points and opinions. i use those platforms. i like those platforms. that does not mean i question your judgment if you choose to go a different route.

seriously people, can we all just make a conscious decision to stop being stupid? if you never OC then don’t comment on it, you’ll just make yourself look ignorant. i don’t care how much you think you know about it. i have to correct gun shop owners here in my own town about OC because they never do it, and still think they know about how it works here. they think its an issue, and that every soccer mom in the grocery store is going to call in a gun threat if you OC. i’ve heard them tell their customers that on more than one occasion. guess what, they’re wrong. OC is a total non-issue here. no one cares. in 2 years of OCing here i have had a grand total of two people talk to me about it, neither one a cop, and both of them just wanted to know what kind of gun it was. oh sure i get the occasional dirty look, it is a pretty blue town, and i have had close looks by cops on more than one occasion, but never anything more than a look. it honestly really lowers my opinion of them, and makes me wonder how much other advice they are giving that is based on assumptions they never tested.

and if you did try it and didn’t like it then say why. understand that the reason you didn’t like it may not apply to someone else. people are different, and what works for one may not work for another. and if you have never tried it, and its legal where you are, *try it,* you may just find that it works better in a lot of situations than trying to CC. i tried a lot of different makes of pistol before i found one i liked, and you know what, even after i found one i liked i still tried others, just to see if i would like them more. same is true for my carry style. if someone says they found something they like better and i have an opportunity to try it i will. another tool in the arsenal cant be a bad thing. if you limit yourself based on your biases your hurting yourself. and if you give advice based on that bias you may just be hurting someone else as well.

anyway, sorry if that rant is a bit winding and incoherent. im frustrated with this whole debate. its stupid, and honestly im tires of being called a showboating, unaware and stupid asshole by people who are supposed to be on my side. i think lack of sleep is causing my skin to be a little thinner than it usually is.

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Rob G October 3, 2012 at 10:02 am

I open carry.

I’m polite, I nod and smile at everyone and don’t act or wear anything that’s even remotely tacti-cool. People don’t get scared when they see me and criminals don’t target me when I walk by. I’m always greeted and treated by the way I conduct myself, just like you are.

Carry on!

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TheRealDave October 3, 2012 at 11:09 am

I open carry because sometimes it is easier, fits my clothing and lifestyle better, etc. I don’t care what other folks think. I have been open carrying for 10+ years and nobody has ever freaked out, called the cops, shot me in the head, etc. In fact, most folks don’t even notice that I have a gun. Of all the debates about guns, this one is the most tiring. It is also pathetic how so many “pro” gun folks vomit up baseless and unfounded “facts” about open carry and resort to other liberal-like emotional arguments like “if you are open carrying it is because you have a little wee wee”.

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dave w October 3, 2012 at 02:57 pm

I don’t live anywhere open or concealed carry is legal, which is good as with the amount of spandex in my wardrobe they would be kinda the same.

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Al T. October 3, 2012 at 03:33 pm

I am thinking that Yeager and FPS together would be another “Brokeback Mountain” episode.

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Ruben October 3, 2012 at 04:07 pm

Open carry makes no sense what so ever , other than promoting the yahoo cowboy stereo type libs already protray us in national media as. Please stop it. Theres no need. Work on making printing and unadvertly showing your weapon a none issue. Instead.

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markofafreeman October 3, 2012 at 04:10 pm

“Please stop it.”

Yeah? Piss off. Translation: No. Your move.

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Rob G October 3, 2012 at 04:47 pm

I’m sorry if open carry scares you, but that’s no reason for us to stop doing it.

Regarding your statement, “There’s no need”, it’s not for you to decide what I need and/or don’t need. Can you imagine me dictating your needs to you? Or how about your family’s needs? Of course not.

It’s true there are a few bad apples out there who give open carry a bad name and for some reason they always seem to make their way onto the Internet and the news. Every group has them – cops, lawyers, teachers, priests, etc.

Just don’t let them spoil the whole bunch for you or anyone else.

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lucusloc October 3, 2012 at 06:42 pm

yeah, your probably a troll, but in the off chance that you actually believe that this is exactly what prompted my groggy wall of text. actually it was a lot more coherent than it thought it would be, so go read it. you are talking about things you know nothing about, and your ignorance is blindingly obvious to those in the know. if you still think your right, no matter what people who actually do it say then you need to consider switching camps to the brady campaign side, their “logic” is more compatible with your style of thinking.

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Big D October 3, 2012 at 07:00 pm

If you’re sleeping like a newborn, does that mean you wake up crying a lot at night :)

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ENDO-Mike October 3, 2012 at 08:52 pm

haha yea it helps me cope with being forever alone.

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dave w October 3, 2012 at 08:59 pm

i think that was a reference to his adult baby fetish. DO NOT go over to mikes house without calling ahead first EVER

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russell October 3, 2012 at 07:05 pm

This is the most reasoned and informed comment I’ve ever heard FPS make. I can’t believe that someone as dumb and as gimmicky as he is -gets it-. Open carry IS stupid. Even a gimmicky, unsafe, boring clock is right every once in a while.

Sorry, people, if you open carry in public when you could conceal (excluding of course the range, the woods, your home, and other low population areas), you’re an asshole. It’s so funny how people have an aneurism trying to defend one of the dumbest choice in tactics that one could make. I’d argue that 99% of the time, open carrying puts you more at risk that than not having a gun at all. I’m including those poor coppers among us, but they are excused as they don’t have a choice in the matter, and already have to walk around with a billboard that says “shoot me first, and often.” It’s also amazing to see how people open carry keep zero awareness of the people around them who could come up from behind and grab their pistol at any moment.

If you choose to share in that risk :voluntarily: by all means go ahead. You’re still an asshole, and please stand well away from me when you’re at the mall or the McDonalds protecting society, you proud sheepdog, you.

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Rob G October 3, 2012 at 07:13 pm

Sorry you feel that way about people like me, Russell.

I’ve never encountered a “tactical” criminal before. Perhaps you have and care to share your real world knowledge and experiences with the rest of us.

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russell October 3, 2012 at 10:18 pm

I DO feel that way about people like you, Rob. It might be inflammatory, but it’s not disingenuous. Advertising your weapon to the criminal element puts you and everyone near you at more risk, despite anyone’s objection to the contrary. I OC in the woods or out in the boonies, -where there is no one about- and that’s about it. If I’m near other people at all, I throw on a jacket, or go IWB. That is the extent of my “tactical”. The funny ha ha “tactical” should not be confused with “tactics”. Of which, the tactic of openly revealing your ace card to the world before you need it is among the worst.

I know that you’re being sarcastic, but to say that you’ve never encountered a “tactical” criminal is straw-man, and highlights your ignorance. We are not talking about terrorists rolling into Middle America Denny’s and triple tapping the OC guy so they can round up and execute the clueless sheeple unmolested. We are talking about Joe Friendly standing in line at a Luby’s with his/her family, and getting a Glock 17 snatched out from behind them. The kind of criminals that one must carry a gun to defend against are usually smart, violent, well trained in prison, or working on getting there. Catching potential victims unaware is their primary tactic, and most of them are very good at it. I’ll not detail my experience with the criminal element, but here’s the cliff’s notes for you:

If you think that voluntarily highlighting the exact location and potential availability of a deadly weapon is a good idea, you’re kidding yourself. I hope this changes your mind.

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Aftermath Gun Club October 4, 2012 at 02:01 am

Well said and to the point. Thanks russell.

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TheRealDave October 4, 2012 at 09:34 am

The vast majority of criminals look for soft targets. A criminal that would attempt to disarm an armed man is a criminal that sure as hell will attack a man that is apparently unarmed.

Cite statistics and support your claims, which I think are bullshit.

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russell October 4, 2012 at 02:40 pm

Yeah, partner, got it. Criminals avoid taking on someone as strong as they are. If they do, they use surprise, and numbers. A pistol on your hip doesn’t make you the baddest dude on the block, not by a long shot. This may come as a shock to some of you, but the weapon that sits on your hip in plain view does NOT in fact strike fear in the heart of evil doers. Violence is a way of life for the people that you carry a gun to defend against. How many of our peace officers are shot with their own guns? It’s not a magical amulet.

There are no usable statistics or claims which could support either argument. Asserting that is a shitty way to refute my claim. That doesn’t mean that you or I can hide behind it, or agree to disagree. Instead, I choose a philosophy of armament based on common sense and simple recognizance of human nature, and a realistic assessment of one’s *dire* position in a defensive scenario. But hey, you’re missing the point. Don’t let the people who would do you harm know what your weapon will be, or from where you need to draw it.

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markofafreeman October 4, 2012 at 02:50 pm

“There are no usable statistics or claims which could support either argument.”

Yup.

“Asserting that is a shitty way to refute my claim.”

You do miss the point. What you have is a CLAIM. Not I, nor anyone else, NEED to refute your claim. Your claim is just that, a claim. You’ve proven nothing. Not too good at this persuasion thing, are you, now? I ask for facts, you pontificate with your opinions.

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Rob G October 4, 2012 at 10:15 am

The only thing you’ve shown us, Russell, is that you’re an angry fear mongerer. I respect your point of view and have no desire to convert you or anyone else to open carry.

I wish you could say the same.

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markofafreeman October 4, 2012 at 10:23 am

I, for one, do NOT respect his point of view. And I try to persuade people not to get away from that line of thinking. My favorite atheist, Penn Jillette did an excellent interview a while ago where he addressed “Tolerance” in a very negative light. Tolerance is actually condescending, he said, and I agree.

What I do respect is his *right* to have a different point of view and to argue it with facts. Instead he’s resorting to ad hominems and assertions. He expects us to accept his cliff notes of “If you think that voluntarily highlighting the exact location and potential availability of a deadly weapon is a good idea, you’re kidding yourself. I hope this changes your mind” without question just because. In other words:

1. Gnomes collect underpants
2. [ … ]
3. Profit!

We’re expected to ignore that he’s left out (2) entirely. That’s why I say piss off. Go away until you have actual data/analysis rather than your hoplophobic hysteria at the sight of a gun in — OMG! — public.

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Rob G October 4, 2012 at 12:16 pm

Interesting point of view, MarkofaFreeman.

I think tolerance, left unchecked, can lead to appeasement, which is a bad thing. On the flipside, intolerance, left unchecked, can lead to tyranny, which is also a bad thing. I think it’s best to maintain a certain balance in these things.

I can tolerate and respect another’s view so long as they keep it civil. When they resort to angry name calling and other escalations, it only means they’ve conceded defeat.

Guns aren’t for everyone and that’s ok. The same goes with open carry. However, projecting one’s fear of guns and their carry onto everyone else is not ok, as it can lead to a serious imbalance as we have seen here in this thread.

I don’t understand all this emotion infecting the open carry vs concealed carry groups, which is odd considering we’re all on the same side. Since a house divided cannot stand, perhaps we need to strike a balance and start tolerating some common ground between us.

Thoughts?

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markofafreeman October 4, 2012 at 12:28 pm

Rob G, I understand what you are getting at, but I don’t believe that intolerance of another *viewpoint* WITHOUT balance leads to tyranny. Frankly, based on the past 200+ years experience, it’s absolutely essential in order to defend AGAINST tyranny. I will give no quarter to the collectivist view point. Full stop. It is creeping evil to the core with a never-satiated appetite for our liberty and our treasure and I will not tolerate it.

It’s the intolerance of, for example, immutable physical characteristics like racial or ethnic backgrounds that bring out the worst in human nature.

There is no moderation in my hatred of evil and I make no apologies for it.

And I’m pretty much with you on your last paragraph. But at least from what I’ve seen it is ALWAYS the anti-OC crowd attacking those who peaceably carry openly. There may be push back (like from me, right here), but it is always the anti-OC crowd that draws first blood. I have zero problem with someone who always carries concealed. If they would just leave me the hell alone and stop acting like the Bradys regarding my peaceable open carry practices, everything would be peachy.

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Rob G October 4, 2012 at 01:01 pm

Well said, MarkofaFreeman, and I’m on board.

Like you, I have no qualms how other people carry and have no intention of imposing my will upon them. Carry open, carry concealed or don’t carry at all. That’s up to each individual to decide, but don’t attack their choice.

Regarding the angry attacks on those of us who do open carry, my only guess is that it is solely based on fear, for without fear, there can be no hate.

However, I don’t quite know how to adequately address those fears, doubts and misunderstandings since they’re not based on facts, which you did a great job of pointing out earlier. I just know we can’t continue to fight among ourselves over the silly argument of open vs concealed.

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russell October 4, 2012 at 02:46 pm

Irritated, yes, fear mongerer, no. Besides, I think you’d be hard pressed to find many CCarriers, if any at all that would like to make OC illegal. E-criticism and open disapproval will hopefully do the trick. I do want people to convert, it makes a lot of sense.

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TheRealDave October 4, 2012 at 09:39 am

Nice reasoning… I’m an asshole because I open carry. Must be a new use for the word asshole that I was not previously aware of.

asshole- person that is calm, collected, and can make reasonable decisions based on valid data without resorting to emotional and false assertations and calling others “assholes”

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russell October 4, 2012 at 02:49 pm

Asshole fits 85% of the OC crowd. Clueless fits the other 15.

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markofafreeman October 4, 2012 at 02:54 pm

Nice stats you got there. I think I can guess where you pulled them out of.

I guess it’s not so bad, since next you’re gonna claim that your poop is 99.44% perfume, right?

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Saxon October 3, 2012 at 08:51 pm

I think its obvious that both Open Carry and Concealed Carry can serve a useful purpose. The laws of war state that while surprise and deception are good for defense (concealed carry) the first line of defense should generally be a visible one (open carry). So I think the best deterrance to criminals is to have both open and concealed carry commonly used. If everyone were to just carry concealed, then criminals would make more hostile actions due to the uncertainty of wether surrounding civilians are armed or not. If a criminal spots at least one civilian open carrying, that criminal is going to start havng second thoughts. Now imagine if that criminal spots 2,3,4 or 5 open carriers? The criminal would realize that he could only take out one or two OC guys out before the rest turned on him. THEN the criminal would be wondering who might be carrying concealed? especially since concealed carry is the most popular form. The result of both OC and CC MIGHT be that more criminals stop trying to commit violent crimes because of the certainty of being shot by law abiding citizens.

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TheRealDave October 4, 2012 at 09:37 am

FPS russias “demonstration” of drawing from concealed and open and stating that it is the same is farcical. He obviously does not understand the 21 foot rule, which I have seen demonstrated by a DEA agent and a SWAT police officer (I was training Afghan police with them).

Concealed carry had some tactical advantages, but it is asinine to argue that open carry does not have its own tactical advantages that include deterrent and easier draw.

I am still waiting to find the criminal which apparently all concealed carriers are prepared for, the one that is sick of easy prey and wants a real challenge so they attack people with guns…

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markofafreeman October 4, 2012 at 09:48 am

@TheRealDave – +1

@russell – “Sorry, people, if you open carry in public when you could conceal … you’re an asshole.”

Yeah? And your poop don’t stink, smartass. Rather than counter your nonsensical rant, here’s the simplest response: PROVE IT. Otherwise, piss off. Do some of your research and publish it with your methods or sight a study with its methods. Without data, I see no need in taking what you say about OC into account. And as far as staying away from you in the mall…YOU can move away if you don’t like it.

And if anyone thinks I’m being harsh or uncivilized, remember that ‘russell’ played that ‘asshole’ card first.

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russell October 4, 2012 at 02:56 pm

I hope you are waiting a long time, and I hope he never finds you, but you are more at risk for it because of your choices. Good luck, keep your strong side and rear well protected. When I see one of you in line somewhere, I’ll leave, as I’ve done before.

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AK™ October 5, 2012 at 03:31 am

So I CC a 1911. I bought a 1911 because I like it over a Block®.
I have a level 2 holster (looks like a Serpa..but isn’t) and I wear clothing that *might* print a little bit..but generally no one cares enough to run away screaming for the government troops to step in and save them.

Why did I choose the 1911 platform? Court. If I have to shoot someone..I’d rather surrender my 1911 and it’s 8 shot mag over a Croatian or Block® with it’s 15+ capacity.

Would I open carry my 1911? Sure. My state allows it. (we also allow citizens to own those evil silencers that only criminals use)

I didn’t buy a Kimber or a Springfield..I just wanted a “starter” 1911,so I went with a Rock Island Armory. Lovin’ it so far. :)

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