Untraceable Shotgun Slugs For Assassins

DemolitionRanch looks at frozen Coconut oil slugs:

Demolition-Ranch-ENDO-Selector-SwitchDoesn’t work at well, but at the same time I wouldn’t want to be hit by one after seeing the meat shots.

Definitely some CSI type shit.  Do you guys have any other ideas for untraceable projectiles?

Thoughts?

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Phoenixnfa June 2, 2013 at 12:59 am

Ice bullets!!! Try it. Hard frozen ice loaded into a shell. Why not?

I shot a walnut out of a 12 gauge before. Little effect on target.

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Jim P. June 2, 2013 at 05:20 am

I wonder how hard it is to get the residue oil out of the barrel?

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SteelerFan June 2, 2013 at 05:26 am

The mythbusters tried the ice bullets thing and it didn’t work out, but they only made them in 7.62. Maybe a shotgun slug would work better.

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Jim P. June 2, 2013 at 05:37 am

If you watch the video, he mentioned that they did the ice slug thing and they come out more like pellets. You can probably find the video.

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Dennis June 2, 2013 at 06:46 am

Shoot someone with a shotgun, and you’ll have gun powder residue in your gun, just like the victim…and EVERY other shotgun. Shoot someone with one of these slugs, and you’ll have the only shotgun with traces of coconut oil in it, like the victim. Not so untraceable.

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50certs June 2, 2013 at 12:20 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong but I didn’t think shotguns were really that traceable. With a smooth bore it’s impossible to tell much more than the gauge and shot used. Which A good CSI could still tell with a coconut slug. Furthermore, there are plenty of states that do not require registration of shotguns. Buy a 12 gauge from a private seller, buy some buck shot, pay in cash; boom untraceable shotgun. Not to mention barrels are completely unregulated in this country. Get a replacement/conversion barrel and confuse everyone.

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phoenixNFA June 2, 2013 at 02:10 pm

and therein lies the issue. anyone know of a case that was solved soley based upon ballistic evidence?

also, notice how bullets tend to deform when they go into things (wood, tissue, metal?) who is to say he was shot with a .380 or a .357 magnum? both use a .355-.357 bullet (most are .356 anyways), therefore just measuring the diameter of the bullet doesnt prove much (unless there are casing on the ground that say “hornady 9mm” of course).

weighing it doesnt do much either. of course you can think a 158gr LRN bullet is obviously a .38spl or .357magnum however i have personally seen and shot a 158gr out of a 9mm nato casing. they make 124-125gr bullets in 9mm, 38spl, 357sig, 357magnum.

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M June 2, 2013 at 06:22 pm

You would have a hard time weighing it, bullets can fragment, loose/gain material passing through barriers, etc.

I would imagine that each manufacturer has an alloy that is just a little different from all of the others. by testing the metal composition i’m sure that they could track down a manufacturer, and maybe even a lot number…

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drone June 3, 2013 at 01:44 am

The Soviets were out to confuse forensics with their MSP Groza: http://www.forgottenweapons.com/russian-silent-msp-manual/

It fired the same bullet as the AK but at lower velocity, and was intended as a close-in weapon. The idea was that it would cause investigators to look for a sniper firing from several hundred yards away when in reality the guilty party would have been only a few metres from the target.

As you point out though, it’s not really necessary to go through such trouble. Pick up the fired shells and contaminate the scene with spent shells from another weapon and any evidence would be next to useless.

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Tom June 2, 2013 at 09:22 pm

How about pykrete? That frozen water and sawdust material that they supposedly thought of making ships from in WWII. Would only leave sawdust behind.

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