San Antonio Starbucks Open Carry Incident Results In Charges

What a waste of everyone’s time harassing gun owners for things like this:

Full Story – The Blaze

Under Texas law, open carrying a rifle is not illegal as long as the gun is not loaded.  Gun owners can still be charged with disorderly conduct if anyone feels threatened at any point during a demonstration. In other words, if anyone around you is uncomfortable with firearms, you could technically be charged with a crime.

Oh a woman claimed she was “freaked out” by the display of weapons?  The person who took the call at the police station should have taken it as an opportunity to educate the woman and suggest maybe a move to the North Pole where she likely wouldn’t have to deal with harmless armed gun nerds casually drinking Frappuccinos at Starbucks.

Chief-WiggumYea we all know that open carry is mainly a “HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME AND MY GUN AND HOW WHAT I’M DOING IS PERFECTLY LEGAL” type of thing, but if it’s legal it’s legal… I don’t see why as a society we continue to pander to retards who get freaked out by things that are legal and in turn tie up police and ruin people’s days.

Thoughts?

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William Brown September 1, 2013 at 01:48 am

I think if they are going to make it a crime if you make someone uncomfortable by exercising your right, then I believe they should make it a requirement that the person come up to you and express the fact they are uncomfortable to allow you a chance to rectify the situation before the police get involved, or the person has to be unable to vacate to a more comfortable location (I.E if its an Employee working at their place of employment who is uncomfortable, they cannot choose to leave without it deducting from their wages.) but if you have the ability to leave the location to feel safer/more comfortable away from the firearm, then by all means you should leave. It is not really causing “Disorder” if it is your own decision to remain within proximity to what makes you uncomfortable, that would be like me being forced to put my dog down because you feel uncomfortable walking past my house on my side of the road when he is outside. Just go to the other side of the street if it makes you that uncomfortable.

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SittingDown September 1, 2013 at 03:34 am

ZZzzzzzzz ;)

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DR September 1, 2013 at 05:14 am

I’d need to be shown the lines that stipulate that it must be unloaded. Because we’ve never taught that a long gun must be unloaded at our shop.

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Jon Hutto September 1, 2013 at 06:16 am

I want to hear some of these 911 calls…
Caller “someone is walking around with a gun”
Operator “Are they waving them around?”
C” No. just standing there.”
O “Well is it a Rifle or a Pistol?”
C “It’s an assault rifle, they are just drinking starbucks like nothing is wrong but they have these dangerous weapons, I don’t understand.”
O “Well Sir/Mam that is completely legal.”
C “But why, they could shoot down airplanes and blow up budges. I don’t understand why is that legal?”
O “Well mam, carrying a weapon is completely legal.”
etc..

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2Wheels September 1, 2013 at 06:53 am

My friends mother is a 911 operator, she’s had to deal with situations like this.

It actually annoys her, because she has to waste her time interrogating the caller to see if this “person with a gun” is actually a threat or just someone open carrying. And if it’s the latter, she has to politely explain to them that open carry is legal.

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Matt in FL September 2, 2013 at 10:36 pm

Hey 2Wheels, if you know, can that lady actually talk the people down, or is she more or less required to dispatch an officer “just in case” it’s a Bad Guy?

I mean, in a perfect world you’d want them to be able to educate people and save both the cops and the open carry person the hassle, but I can totally see the powers that be not giving a lowly 911 operator that level of discretion.

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Kevin September 1, 2013 at 06:25 am

“Starbucks is pro second amendment”, well no, Starbucks just stays the fuck out of it as they should. People are both supporting them and protesting them because they’re “pro 2nd amendment”, when in reality they just want to serve coffee and respect the local laws…

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Matt in FL September 2, 2013 at 10:36 pm

Exactly, Kevin. “We make coffee, that gun shit isn’t our fight.” They ought to hang a sign on the door that says that.

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dave w September 1, 2013 at 06:30 am

Try this with something else and see what happens.
C “there are two dudes making out and its making me uncomfortable”
O”They are allowed to do that, theres nothing we can do”*click*
C “hello?…hello?”

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MakoGroup September 1, 2013 at 08:46 am

Doubtful they have a legitimate victim in this case. I think the Sgt. got a little butt hurt and tried to make a point. Hopefully the citations get thrown out when the defendants find out there is no victim. Bullshit that they have to even deal with that and possibly have to take a deal for lesser charge.

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treefroggy September 1, 2013 at 02:26 pm

50 years ago the same folks would have been freaking out about a black man sitting there . Some sh*t never changes .

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jim bob September 2, 2013 at 12:33 pm

if it was a black dude carrying a rifle, they would have ended up shooting him. then driven to his house and shot his dog. probably reflexively plant a throw away piece on him, until someone points out the rifle is enough probable fabricated cause to execute him.

“oh shit, sorry, force of habit”

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jpcmt September 1, 2013 at 06:03 pm

Why do you think open carrying is someone who needs attention or trying to occupy police resources in a demonstration? There are actually people, normal people who open carry and its not a big deal. Just because your only exposure to open carry is these noobs making videos trying to show how stupid they are, doesn’t constitute all or even most open carriers.

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Therealcombatwombat September 2, 2013 at 06:29 am

@2:30 what Texas cop doesn’t know how to open the bolt on an AR? Fuck me that’s terrible.

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Squirreltactical September 2, 2013 at 07:08 am

That was bad. FNG…

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Taylor TX September 18, 2013 at 10:39 am

I missed that the first time, holy FUCK. Doesnt pretty much every PD have AR type rifles at this point?
Way to go bro cop, way to go.

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dgdimick September 3, 2013 at 08:22 am

I wonder if the person making the complaint shows up in court. If not, I’d assume the charges will be dropped.

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Federale September 3, 2013 at 06:10 pm

The problem appears to be the “Mexican” cop who does not understand American Constitutional law and Texas law.

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dgdimick September 3, 2013 at 08:12 pm

You really had to go there?

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lunchbox September 5, 2013 at 09:01 am

If what they did is disorderly, would the gay pride rallies, those who stand outside planned parenthood, those anti-war protesters, and so on, all be considered disorderly conduct if someone felt uncomfortable by them?

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dgdimick September 5, 2013 at 09:05 am

The demonstators that where blocking Planned Parenthood where found to be Unconstional and the where arrested most of the time.

The others are a 1st Ammendment issue.

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Matt in FL September 5, 2013 at 09:07 am

And the Constitution says the 1A is more important than the 2A, right? That’s why it comes first?

Meh, even we win that argument, they’ll just fall back on “The 1A doesn’t kill people” or some such wharrgarbl.

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dgdimick September 5, 2013 at 09:15 am

No, they both have the same weight under the law. It’s just that the 1st ammendemnt has more case law, so it’s a bit easier to argue. Everyone knows the Disordely charge is BS, most cops seem to use it as a “catch all” when they can’t find anything else to charge someone with. Since LEO normally can’t be sued for BS charges, they don’t fear doing BS like this. The fact that they have a tape of their interaction with LEO will most likely get the charges dropped; it still wont save time and money spent defending themselves.

As I see it, the majority of LEO’s are just thugs with badges.

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Taylor TX September 18, 2013 at 10:43 am

so when you said wharrgarbl, this is what it sounds like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lUySHNS7ug

These are the same people who want to use the 1st A to dismantle the 2ndA, and then probably to amend the 1st A again stating that no one can speak out against them once the “final solution” happens.

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Phil September 5, 2013 at 04:21 pm

This will get thrown out so fast. What a fucking waste of tax dollars.

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Ed September 7, 2013 at 12:01 pm

Great video. There were a few false things the cops said, though. They were big on “Someone called to complain, so we have to come. You’re the reason we’re here”. Not true- they are there because someone called, and they chose to come out, instead of informing the caller that they were committing a crime to that of someone standing on one leg on a sidewalk. The rules the police have to follow need to be changed- when they get a call about 3 guys at a Starbucks drinking lattes through a green straw that happen to have weapons, they should tell the caller that no crime has been committed, thanks for wasting our time.

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KAR September 18, 2013 at 09:59 am

News flash STARBUCKS IS NOT PRO SECOND AMMENDMENT! They are a liberal owned business that should be avoided.

Also I agree with Federale, the mexican cop does not understand the constitution and San Antonio is full of a bunch of liberal trash anyway.

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