First a demo by YouTube tacticouple Cory & Erika:
Known as the FMS Magazine Pouch. WTF does FMS mean you ask? Well kind sir, Bravo Concealment decided it would be cool to bring shame to the sanctity of acronyms by making FMS – FPS Russia Mag-dump System. *smh* Sure FPS Russia pimps their products to his tween crowd on the regular, but I don’t think the full grown operator demographic that is spending $135 on this holster are going to be impressed by the fake Russian branding.
I’ve worked with Kydex, and it’s not rocket science. 40-45 calendar days (stated on the website) to ship an order seems excessive. I’ve heard it has been like that for quite a while with Bravo Concealment, and I fail to understand why companies like this don’t evolve and do something to fix their efficiency problems. In a market where a majority of purchases would be made on impulse I think they are really shitting the bed. How many of you ever have said “Damn I need a holster… not now, but in a month and a half”?
Thoughts? Are you anticipating a need for one of these double rifle / double pistol holsters in a month and a half?
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If either of those 3 tactards recommended water to me in the desert i wouldn’t try it.
Derp with titties.
As to the product, its misnamed for one. Its not a mag dump system. This video clearly shows that job is taken by the floor.
As far as a pistol/rifle mag holster combo, i dont need one.
Initial reactions:
– It looks bulky and heavy for something made from kydex (Kydex is primarily used for concealed carry). Note you don’t either of them running with the thing.
– It’ll weigh 4+ lbs. fully loaded, plus your pistol on the other side of your belt. 5-6lbs. seems like a lot of weight on the thing that’s meant to hold your pants up (i.e your belt).
– If you need that much shit, just throw on a warbelt setup.
– I though Raven Concealment had a system like this several youars ago, but maybe this is a newer tweak to that.
People need to leave the kydex hoslters and pouches to the duty where they work best, concealed carry. I’m tired of seeing these thin kydex sandwich style holsters and pouches used for open duty carry. They are not the best for that.
If a month and a half sounds bad, what would you say about Raven Concealment’s 16-18 week lead time? Now that’s just insane. Even the “Quick Ship” products for the most common configurations are 3-4 weeks.
Maybe the stuff they make is so good and so in demand that such a long wait is justified. Who knows, I’m not a tactical operator. Safariland seems to work just fine for me.
I have no use for this video or this product but don’t get the Amazon next day shipping requirement for other impulse buys. I’ve been reading your blog for a while because it’s smart and funny and here are two posts in a row I don’t get.
Raven’s two week estimate didn’t even register as an issue. I’ll never need a new holster tomorrow because this is a hobby for me. They seem like a good company and I’d rather wait two weeks than they double the price.
I think you missed the point of both posts. The first one I never made fun of the girl, and this post has nothing to do with a two week wait at Raven Concealment.
Last I heard Raven had a 9 month wait.
Holy that’s even crazier! I thought 1 – 1.5 months was bad.
You’re right. Sorry. I came on both posts exhausted after election night and hoping for the usual laugh and the comments pissed me off. The awful ones on the linked youtube videos probably bled in.
The constant dumbass comments about whether any woman reviewing an S&W or mag carrier being doable, fat, or “shoots good for a girl” shit should be laughed out of town. It’d be fun.
This is about the only diy/punk rock gun forums talk out there.
I hope the internet celebrity endorsement boom dies a fast, hard death. I don’t want to see a, “Lolcats Tactical LLC,” during my time here on Earth.
I’m making this happen.
All i was thinking, well during half the video, was this really should stand for ‘fornicate my snatch’ least thats what i was thinking when the pretty lady started talking about it. but honestly how easy kydex is to work with i have no idea how any of these systems sell let alone for the crazy amounts of money they cost. you can buy the kydex, a small oven, and build a press with the amount of money this costs. its crazy talk.
Honestly on a hardware vs hardware basis, I like it better than the Costa Leg Rig, endorsements notwithstanding.
Erika belongs on Xhampster, not Youtube.
It’s xhamster, not “xhampster.” We wouldn’t want anyone getting lost on the way to getting their internet porn.
I think you’ve discovered a new genre to bring to that market. I mean, it practically writes itself with the whole instructor/student thing.
so many potential comments of the week in here
that feels like a whole lot of weight on just one hip…
Raven has had one of these rigs out for awhile now.
wheres the respect?
I dont understand why they went with the double youtube endorsement on this one.
The problem with this Kydex work is its time consuming and labor intensive. I’m trying in earnest to start making some on my own as a side gig. Once you get your jigs and molds set up it can go faster but its a lot of hand finishing to get it right.
An acronym within an acronym? Is that even legal?
LOL
What’s the trouble with a little wait for Kydex? Yeah, my Raven Concealment Phantom was on the quick-ship list and it took less than a month, but…
… Look at the good ole days of leather. Anybody remember the lead time for a leather holster from Milt Sparks or one of the other famous shops? In the mid 90’s my Sparks holster took 90 days…
… and that pales in comparison to the year+ wait for a Randall knife. Craftsmanship and quality take time, or as somebody else said, “Quick – Cheap – Quality; pick two”.
What is the wait time on a Milt Sparks? I remember they were the best in the ’90s but their website is odd. I couldn’t afford one then.
“Quick – Cheap – Quality; pick two”
Many people argue you’re only getting one right now. I like kydex, but not at $100 and a couple dozen week lead time.
The wait time does seem kinda long for Kydex but plenty of people wait a month and a half (and often more) for custom made holsters. Twice I’ve impulse bought holsters and I’ve regreted it each time. That said, even if I thought I could use this I wouldn’t buy it on principle due to the stupid name. It’ll only encourage more stupid stuff like this in the future.
that’s what Erika looks like up close?
Pass
OH THANK GOD. Finally a bulky product designed to carry mags in an awkward position with no retention! It’s useless in every way imaginable! If only there was a sport where you had to carry rifle and pistol mags at the same time…oh what’s that? They do that in 3-Gun? All the time? And they use gear you can run in? MADNESS I SAY, MADNESS.
$135!?!?!? I bought a 4×4 sheet of kydex for $38. I have a cheap rivet tool and a pizzaz to heat up the kydex. I can make 15 of those in a day for less than half the price.
My question is do the make a right hip mounted solution?
I’m seriously looking at the Red River Arms left eject AR.
Is RRA worth it though?
I think you mean Rock Rive Arms.
To answer your question: Yes, yes RRA makes a damn fine AR. I have one myself. Tight fight all around, exceptional accuracy, and it eats all kinds of ammo.
Does cory think he’s Costa’s missing son? I mean what’s with the get up? He thinks he’s a tacticool “operator”..whereas the ENDO commentators probably think he looks more like a mall ninja.
the whole mag “dump” system thingy by FPS Kyle..I mean Russia..looks like crap.
Why not use either a Surefire 60 rounder,or 2 30 rounders either taped together or with a mag clamp?
So… I see the trend in tactical beards is soon at a all time high. So, since I have been rocking a beard for the past 18 years, does that qualify me as an OG tactical beard? OldBeard Tactical? Old Dirty Tactibeard? ok I stop now…
That dump system looks like crap, atleast for my use.. Even in 3Gun I would not use something like that.. Sure, I might be one of the few that likes FPS Russia, for the sheer fun of him shooting stuff I will neeeeeeeever ever see over here (Sweden represent!), but this.. this looks like *beep* :|
She’s crazy, but I’d still hit it.
I dont really care what Tacnerd neck beards do on the internet, but these 2 clowns actually pass themselves off as instructors. Sad
Good point. How many will take “instruction” from these two and think they are tier one operators?
I can see that rig getting hung up on doorways, well lots of things, looks like you could knock the ar mag out with your elbow, besides being too much weight in one spot on a belt. Makes no sense except for range drills or competition and there are a lot better ways to carry for that.
Hell I’d rather run a course while carrying a loaded AR mag between my teeth.
Unfortunately that’s not an option for me unless they come out with operator grade Fixodent.
This is a really interesting product. Very useful in 3-gun or pistol/rifle matches. I will definitely be ordering one. I wonder why this has not been developed earlier.
Rip-off of an RCS product: http://www.ravenconcealment.com/modular-carriers/ammo-carriers/rifle-mag-carriers/rifle-mag-carriers-sonny-rig
To be fair, Kydex might not be a hard science, but it does take time; when making it for yourself, you have nothing to worry about since you can kill a few hours to make a product. But what happens when you get 50+ orders? (More, considering the publicity Bravo Concealment gets from FPS Russia)
If you need that much shit, You are prob shooting a 2gun/3gun, and should have double belt system that can handle the heft.
The only people who should be wearing patrol belts or vests are active duty or someone who gets fucking paid to carry a gun in bad places. If you have that shit and dont need it, wtf are you doing?
Why do you have a gun? Because you need it?
What about a fire extinguisher? What about a smoke alarm? What about being 25 with a family; life insurance?
So before you criticize anyone, just ask yourself are you paranoid or prepared? Or are they?
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